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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 20:17, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa Gable[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO. Sources cited are mostly interviews, plus some obvious paid puff pieces. She has some impressive-sounding titles, but has so far had only what appear to be minor presidential appointments, as a delegate, a vice-chair of a committee, and "U.S. Ambassador to Expo 2005". That's not a diplomatic role, or an ambassadorship: for context, BTS are South Korea's ambassadors to the 2030 Expo.

In a WP:BEFORE search, I can't find any significant secondary coverage of her, or her book, and WP:NAUTHOR isn't met. All I can find is a large pile of self-promotion and interviews, where she describes herself as a "former US ambassador".

Lisa Guillermin Gable was speedy deleted twice in 2017 and 2018 as spam, and was part of WP:Sockpuppet investigations/BrookeCook/Archive. The edit history of this one so far has a powerful aroma of sockpuppetry about it. Wikishovel (talk) 12:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Here are links to White House and State Department press releases provide documentation of positions held. Is this what you need? https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2004/08/20040809-12.html
https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2007/february/80959.htm
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bestselling-books-week-ended-october-9-11634239435
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/04/text/20020412-5.html 148.59.230.158 (talk) 20:43, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Press releases are not references that lend towards notability because they are not independent coverage. Additionally, none of the positions held confer notability. Of the examples mentioned are notable because of other things, although honestly Doug Hickey's article does not have particularly strong sourcing and even being a real US Ambassador does not guarantee notability. Best, GPL93 (talk) 15:22, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A statement by the President of the United States should not be mistaken for a mere press release; rather, it represents the official appointment of a critical role through which the President exercises his authority.
The individual in this position signs a bilateral agreement on behalf of the United States and other nations and officially represents the US with the heads of state and sovereigns from 120 countries. Japan's operation under this role involved over 72 personnel and served approximately 2 million visitors at the Pavilion. Notably, 19 state delegations, 16 led by governors, signed manufacturing agreements that directly led to billions of dollars in foreign direct investment. These achievements are documented in a report submitted to Congress and were recognized on the floor of the Senate. The U.S. presence at the Aichi World EXPO amounted to a $32 million operation and remained one of the most extensive public-private partnerships within the U.S. government. World's fair
It's worth emphasizing that the position of Vice Chair of the Defense Advisory Committee on Women in the Services holds a 4-star protocol status and reports directly to both the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Secretary of Defense visiting over 50 military bases worldwide representing the office of the Secretary. This particular role advised the Secretary of Defense on the fallout from Tailhook, the most significant sexual harassment scandal in the US military, a "notable" item covered in Wikipedia.
Observing the underrepresentation of women at this level within Wikipedia is disheartening. This commentary underscores the apparent bias against women in the review process and a deficiency in recognizing the significance of positions within the United States government as designated by the President.
Wikipedia features numerous minor officials within the United States government. However, it is puzzling that the only woman to assume a presidentially named ambassadorial role, after a 172-year gap, as a direct representative of the United States to the royal family of Japan and the Prime Minister is deemed not to meet the notability criteria.   Caeser2023 (talk) 02:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)— Caeser2023 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
She has worked with notable people, at a notable expo and on a notable committee, but on Wikipedia, notability is not inherited. The expo report submitted to Congress linked above is written by Gable. What's needed to demonstrate WP:Notability is multiple independent, WP:Secondary sources about her and her work. Wikishovel (talk) 05:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Below find notable sources, including WSJ, NYT, Washington Post, Japan Times, Politico, the Congressional Record, and White House Archives.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/bestselling-books-week-ended-october-9-11634239435
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CREC-2005-05-10/pdf/CREC-2005-05-10-pt1-PgS4865.pdfhttps://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2004/08/13/business/u-s-names-aichi-expo-commissioner/
https://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/04/garden/design-diplomacy-us-rejoins-worlds-fairs.html
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2006/06/text/20060629-11.html
https://uncommonwealth.virginiamemory.com/blog/2022/05/18/enormous-opportunities-governor-mark-r-warners-2005-trade-mission-to-japan-and-india/https://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/food-companies-calories-michelle-obama-101982
https://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/food-companies-calories-michelle-obama-101982
https://www.wsj.com/articles/career-makeover-stepping-up-to-lead-1383089206
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/food-allergies-poor-children/2020/10/30/faadfe74-14ab-11eb-bc10-40b25382f1be_story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/07/health/coronavirus-food-allergies.html Caeser2023 (talk) 18:50, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: An assessment of recently discovered sources would be useful.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the paywalled ones, I was able to search "Gable" before the wall went up. Most appear to be 1-2 passing mentions and not significant coverage on Gable herself. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:37, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The one possible exception from the new links is the short speech in the US Congressional Record [1], apparently by her Senator, thanking her and praising the job she did as Commissioner General to the Expo. In US politics, do these statements carry significant weight in assessing notability? Or are they throwaway political favours, like here in the UK? Either way, we still don't yet have WP:SIGCOV from "multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject". Wikishovel (talk) 13:10, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Wikishovel: I would say not a ton notability-wise. A lot of notable people obviously have had recognition entered into the Congressional Record, but it's more Members of Congress recognizing constituents or as a favor like in the UK. For example, a similar short speech was given and entered into the record for a relative of mine upon his retirement as a police officer for a suburban township of about 50,000 people. It looks like this is one of many additional statements submitted on May 10, 2005, which include recognizing an Indiana high school receiving honorable mention (10th overall) in the We the People: The Citizen and the Constitution finals and the 75th anniversary of a local Wyoming VFW Post. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:21, 22 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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