The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Withdrawn by nominator due to a significant modification and improvement of the article per WP:HEY. (non-admin closure) ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:39, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of 2024 gaming industry layoffs[edit]

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There's no other "list of layoffs" on Wikipedia as far as I know, and it seems to run afoul of WP:NOTDATABASE. Note that this does not rule out 2024 gaming industry layoffs as a notable topic for a prose article, but a list doesn't seem to pass notability criteria. Many of the truly noteworthy layoffs are in the top industry companies. It's hard to say what is typical turnover as opposed to major firings, so a lot might be WP:SYNTH. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Video games, Business, and COVID-19. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While it's true that there might not be another specific "list of layoffs" on Wikipedia, it doesn't necessarily mean that creating such a list runs afoul of Wikipedia's guidelines. The existence of similar lists or lack thereof doesn't determine the validity of a new list. Furthermore, the argument citing WP:NOTDATABASE is not entirely applicable here. Wikipedia allows lists when they serve an encyclopedic purpose and provide valuable information to readers. A list of notable layoffs in the gaming industry could indeed serve this purpose by documenting significant events within the industry, providing historical context, and highlighting trends in employment practices.

Regarding the notability criteria, it's important to recognize that significant layoffs within the gaming industry can have wide-ranging implications beyond just the companies directly involved. They can impact the industry's economy, employment landscape, and even consumer sentiment. Therefore, documenting these events in a list format could help provide a comprehensive view of the industry's dynamics over time. While it may be challenging to distinguish between typical turnover and major firings, proper sourcing and citation practices can help ensure that the information presented is accurate and verifiable, thus mitigating concerns about original synthesis (WP:SYNTH). By citing reputable sources and providing context for each entry on the list, editors can ensure that the information meets Wikipedia's standards for reliability and neutrality.

Creating a list of notable layoffs in the gaming industry can be justified as long as it serves an encyclopedic purpose, is properly sourced, and provides valuable insights for readers interested in the industry's history and developments. Ryan York (talk) 17:59, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In my opinion, this is not a subject worthy of being sent to AfD. These mass layoffs are undoubtedly a notable topic worthy of discussion somewhere, the front page of Google searches turns up plenty of WP:SIGCOV related to it. Flat out deletion simply is not a fair proposal here to even consider. Now, I do see how it could be organized in a different article, such as the possibility of an aforementioned 2024 gaming industry layoffs, but that should be a separate discussion not handled at AfD. λ NegativeMP1 18:02, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"It's a noteworthy topic, so we should make a list that speculates that certain layoffs may or may not be related" is an odd tack to take. If it's truly noteworthy, a non-list article can be made about it that specifies what layoffs have been directly linked to each other by reliable sources. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:12, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That is not the point I was trying to make. The article itself can be rewritten, that's why I pointed at the possibility of a discussion outside of AfD. What I am opposed to is the flat out deletion of the subject entirely. λ NegativeMP1 18:19, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I attempted to create a non-list article, but due to the complexity of the layoffs, I found it challenging to accomplish alone. Perhaps we can discard this article and instead, I could start writing a comprehensive article about the 2024 gaming industry layoffs, rather than just listing them. However, I still believe that including a list is necessary to effectively convey the information about the layoffs. Ryan York (talk) 18:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Economics and Lists. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:32, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and restructure as 2024 video game industry layoffs. This does not seem to be a discussion for AfD, as the nominator alludes to. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 18:39, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and restructure as 2024 video game industry layoffs (use 'video game', not 'gaming', to differentiate from gambling) The topic is notable. Early 2024 layoffs are discussed generally (not company-specific) in these sources:

Keep the work already done, and expand prose. The list is fine to keep in the improved article as an appendix; the data has context. It is not a list of exhaustive or unexplained statistics, which is what WP:NOTDATABASE is intended to prevent. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 19:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for providing the feedback. It's greatly appreciated. I acknowledge your input and will make the necessary improvements to enhance the quality of the article. Ryan York (talk) 19:13, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm neutral on this, but note that as a potentially long-term trend, thought should be given to how the time-specific framing of this article may need to change in future. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 01:43, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have significantly restructured the article and changed the name to '2024 video game industry layoffs' to make it clear. Ryan York (talk) 06:28, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Impressive. You could probably nominate for GA once the dust settles on the on-going layoffs. Nice job. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 23:33, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot! Ryan York (talk) 01:26, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It looks like the article has been resurrected very well. Wariorio10 (talk) 02:16, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.