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The result was delete. This is clearly going to end as this and given the drama around the user conduct on the page, there is no point in belaboring it. MBisanz ^talk 15:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of British and Irish footballers who have played abroad[edit]

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I find this to be WP:LISTCRUFT as only an extremely small minority of British footballers actually playing abroad. Removed prod (from User:Jmorrison230582) stated "Impossible list to maintain, which is achieved in any case by the various expatriate footballer categories." Tavix (talk) 02:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• keep, I find this nomination to be deletioncruft junk which is biased against people interested in the minority of British and Irish footballers who have played abroad. Juzhong (talk) 02:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• WP:INTERESTING. Yeah, not a good idea. Tavix (talk) 02:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Oh I see, you have a policy of not giving a shit who is interested in what. Juzhong (talk) 02:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• There's someone who is interested in just about anything. Just because there is somebody that is interested in it, doesn't mean it should be on Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, not a repository of interesting trivia. Tavix (talk) 02:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The country where someone plays football is "interesting trivia"? Juzhong (talk) 02:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, countries are not trivia, in fact we have articles on all sorts of countries and territories. What is trivia is to have a list of players that happened to play abroad their country. And plus, why UK + Ireland?!? Why not then a List of French and Irish footballers who have played abroad, or Spain and Germany together. Imagine if we move to other sports then, how about a list of Cuban and Jamaican bobsledders who have performed abroad!! as you can see, this type of content is highly trivial and most likely not appropriate for an encyclopedia. Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 09:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are confirming that someone playing outside their country is trivia? And maybe my geography is shaky but I believe that Britain and part of Ireland belong to a single country. Juzhong (talk) 11:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• You are only somewhat correct. "Ireland" is a separate country occupying the southern 3/4 or so of the island of "Ireland". Only the northeastern part of the island is part of "The United Kingdom (of Great Britain and Northern Ireland)" Tavix (talk) 23:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, intersection-type list with no good rational. Might be an acceptable category. Fee Fi Foe Fum (talk) 02:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  The category would just be a list but without any indication of where they played and when. Juzhong (talk) 02:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  And, in my mind, that would be a good thing. Fee Fi Foe Fum (talk) 02:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  What exactly would it be good for? Juzhong (talk) 03:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  The categories exist already. See Category:Irish expatriate association footballers, Category:Welsh expatriate footballers and so on. Punkmorten (talk) 10:10, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  I have seen them, thanks. They look completely fucking useless, I was wondering if someone would care to tell me what they are good for. Juzhong (talk) 11:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as listcruft and synthesis. What's next, List of British footballers named John? - Biruitorul ^Talk 03:54, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • That's a bad analogy. A list of footballers called John would obviously bad because there's no encyclopedic value in such a list and it would be stating the obvious. If referenced, the country someone plays football in is encyclopedic, the question is whether putting them in a list is a good idea, but it's certainly not as trivial as the John list you mentioned. - Mgm|^(talk) 09:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 08:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:41, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as per my explanation above. Do U(knome)? ^yes..._{or no} 09:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom as this does appear to be listcruft. Also, as Do U(knome) has pointed out, this has the potential to snowball out of control and spawn all sorts of useless lists which, if this was kept, would use this AfD as a precedent if they were nominated for deletion and cause all sorts of unecessary arguments. Best to nip this one in the bud, keeping things nice and civil as we do so! Bettia (rawr!) 10:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  How can you regurgitate hatecruft argument and pretend to be "keeping things nice and civil"? Juzhong (talk) 11:51, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:LC items 1, 3, 4, 7, 10, and 11. Stifle (talk) 12:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  OK, LC is not policy but let's see:

  1 is a personal attack.

  3 is repeating the retarded "the country where someone plays their sport is trivia" argument above.

  4 is the same.

  7 is a lie. Also it acknowledges that in fact this is an appropriate way to organize sportpeople, confirming that #1, #3 and and #4 are nonsense.

  10: I think it's fairly clear what parts of the world are not in Britain or Ireland, so no original research is required.

  11 You only need to add an entry when a notable football player starts playing outside their country, this effort is not disproportionate. Juzhong (talk) 13:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 12:36, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Also behavivor of Juzhong is atrocious and he needs to be beat with the clue stick. JuJube (talk) 23:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  Fuck you. Juzhong (talk) 02:15, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

and thanks for the excuse to call a cunt a cunt. Juzhong (talk) 02:41, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• ugh, still not banned? No-one paying attention? Well any, apart from not being prepared to tolerate your insults any more, you people aren't even pretending this is a debate and not a vote. That leaves no alternative but to build as many sockpuppets as possible as a replacement for reasoned discussion. Juzhong (talk) 09:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• delete this uncategorizable nonesense.Bali ultimate (talk) 13:03, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.