The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Same old, same old -- RoySmith (talk) 00:49, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of Czech supercentenarians[edit]

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This page contains too many contradictions and inaccurancies to be kept. It claims to list Super Old People (110+) born in the Czech Republic but that premise is impossible for the Czech Republic is not that old itself. Even if you generously say that this covers people born within the modern Czech Republic borders, that is an artificial construct given some died before the state was formed and therefore have no connection to it.

The lead text is not supported by the tables. There is no one listed as pending in the tables as claimed in the lead, There are apparently no living 110yr+ people in the country which suggests no need for an article.

Past residents of the Czech Republic are detailed in a 'list' of one person that died in the 1960's - decades before the Czech Republic was formed. So they should be listed on some other page. However, maybe the current list of one should be replaced by another person from down in the bottom list who lived to 110yrs+48 days and actually died in the Czech Republic.

None of the 4 emigrants listed ever lived in the Czech Republic and should be listed whereever they died.

The oldest people in the Czech Republic list at the bottom is OR and only has one person on it briefly (48 days) qualified for mention according to the page name. If oldest person at a given date in a country is encyclopedic and verifiable this list of people who all (but 1) died before -110 does not belong on a page titled for 110+ year olds.

I highly doubt the few names here of people who lived past 110 yrs are dealt with consistently on the European, Austro-Hungary, Year of Death, oldest by country, or other related lists because I've found no consistency between these lists at all. Streamline topic coverage by deleting this page and moving names to year of death and Europe lists because evidently the interested topics editors are incapable of maintaining such a large universe of lists spead over so many pages. Legacypac (talk) 12:27, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. sst✈^(discuss) 15:11, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions. sst✈^(discuss) 15:11, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I guess it is best to try to establish a single unified list for the whole Europe. Europe has so many small countries and border changes that keeping these separate is like begging for trouble. In the 2050s they might be able to exist separately, but we do not yet have enough content to include for each and every European country. In contrast, the United States probably deserves its own article. Lets wait half a century, and then reconsider recreating this article. Ceosad (talk) 17:19, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What is often forgotten in looking at the notability of a list like this, is that it isn't enough for there to be reliable secondary sources that qualify subjects for a place on the list - this list topic itself must be notable. In this specific case, this means that it isn't enough that we have sources that give people at a certain age - there must be sources that establish the notability of the topic of Czech supercentenarians as a whole, and I think it's pretty clear we don't have that. Nwlaw63 (talk) 19:20, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This looks too large to merge into a larger article. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:11, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is a surprising comment suggesting a misunderstanding of the rational for deletion - 100% of the people on the Czech list should already be on the Europe list (and if not, should be added) so no merge is required or proposed. If there is a different point being made, please clarify. Legacypac (talk) 20:57, 13 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As stated above, this article fails WP: LISTN as no sources discuss this particular data set. The two references used for this article are both GRG tables which do nothing to establish notability. Note that these two sources are just names in a table and don't discuss "Czech Republic supercentenarians". I also removed the chronological list section as all but one name was a supercentenarian. CommanderLinx (talk) 00:17, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

related AfD covering another arbitrary subset of Europe just closed as Delete Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_supercentenarians_from_the_Nordic_countries Legacypac (talk) 00:33, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:LISTN. There is zero coverage for a list of Czech old people. It's not a notable topic. David in DC (talk) 17:57, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As above, list topic not notable. Nwlaw63 (talk) 20:23, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as Europe list can completely handle this. EEng (talk) 09:13, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I'm not seeing any type of justification/coverage for a standalone list on this topic. Canadian Paul 18:29, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Problems with the article that can be fixed are not a good reason to delete it. Unless this can be merged without a loss of information, I am not going to support anything but keeping it. -- Ollie231213 (talk) 21:18, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not an article, it's a list. Can you please explain how this particular list meets the requirements of WP:LISTN? Thanks. David in DC (talk) 21:47, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Since 100% of the info in this list should be in the Europe list, as well as on the Year of death and Living lists, are you ready to change your vote? Legacypac (talk) 22:49, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There's no reason to delete this list. Merging all the articles into one giant Europe list sounds like a bad idea and will not bring anything helpful with it. It is easier to navigate when we have lists for each and every country since it makes it possible for us to see which countries have produced the most, and the least, amount of supercentenarians. If the result of this AfD is to merge it to the "Europe list" then I agree with Ollie231213, that none of the relevant information in this list should be deleted. 930310 (talk) 09:19, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No reason to delete? Can you address the WP:LISTN failure with reliable sources (That aren't GRG tables) that discuss this particular data set? CommanderLinx (talk) 13:14, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.