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The result was no consensus. There are only three participants after two relists, and I don't see more people coming because the discussion has burned out. The opinions are evenly split. Guerillero Parlez Moi 08:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of Great Britain and Ireland PGA Cup golfers[edit]

I am also nominating the following related page because for the same reason:

List of American PGA Cup golfers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)


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List of Great Britain and Ireland PGA Cup golfers (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)
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These pages clearly fail WP:NLIST. I have no clue how they got past administrators originally. Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:17, 22 July 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly[reply]

Oogglywoogly (talk) 05:02, 25 July 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly[reply]
As to notability of the golfers, NLIST specifically says "Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable" and anyway, I suspect some of the red-linked golfers are notable. As to the event, I think the two PGAs (British and US) would be very disappointed at you being so dismissive of it, which they regard as a showcase event, a sort of Club Pros Ryder Cup. As to coverage see eg this https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=0_89AAAAIBAJ&pg=4332%2C5005381 from 1984 where coverage is ahead of that for the second round of the Dutch Open. Similar coverage in the London papers (Telegraph, Guardian). Or this from 1986 https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=JLZAAAAAIBAJ&pg=3004%2C5409506 and this https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=jg01AAAAIBAJ&pg=2319%2C5910943 from 1988. The other issue is that these sort of lists are meant to be an aid for editors writing articles, as they appear in the "What Links Here" list, so aren't necessarily going to be too exciting as articles in their own right. Nigej (talk) 11:05, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if I came across as rude or dismissive in the most recent post and in other posts. I do think the PGA Cup is a notable event and worthy of a page. But I also think it is a somewhat obscure event and I'm not sure if it really needs an independent page that lists every player that has ever played in the event. We do have players lists pages for other events like the Ryder Cup but the Ryder Cup is obviously much, much better known event than the PGA Cup. Meanwhile major championships like the Masters or U.S. Open - perhaps the two most important tournaments in the history of golf - have no player lists.
You also mention how these pages are useful to editors. Personally I have used your players lists on Australian Men's Interstate Teams Matches and found it very helpful. But I'm not sure if usefulness is a suitable criterion for a published page in an encyclopedia. It may be worthwhile if a user keeps lists like these in a sandbox for reference but I'm not sure if they should be published. Overall, I think we should think about what the reader wants first, not the editor.
Oogglywoogly (talk) 02:57, 26 July 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly[reply]
As I said above, I think you are right here, see WP:NOTPAPER. The content can readily be added to the parent article and this article deleted. We can delete this one, WP:PROD the US one. As I noted above I think we can PROD the Seve Trophy lists too (and perhaps others). Nigej (talk) 05:21, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Nigej: This nom is for both lists. If we are going to merge, then the lists should remain as redirects for attribution. wjematherplease leave a message... 09:42, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
True, somehow I missed the US article. Nigej (talk) 13:14, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Nigej and wjemather for your responses. Just to be clear, could we confirm for administrators that we want to delete these list pages and put this information on the main page (i.e. PGA Cup). Thanks, Oogglywoogly (talk) 19:28, 28 July 2022 (UTC)Oogglywoogly[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I would like to see confirmation, is there a proposal to merge these two articles to PGA Cup? I've read over the discussion but a lot of it is about list standards and not about the outcome you are seeking here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 02:42, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero Parlez Moi 18:08, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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