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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:13, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of Initial D characters[edit]

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Sourced entirely to primary sources, with a lot of WP:GAMEGUIDE style information. Granted this is more than just a game, but a good half of this article is odd details like this, with no real-world context to have this meet the standard of WP:NOTPLOT. No need to rehash the plot with this level of detail, since that is WP:NOT what Wikipedia is for. Cannot find more than a passing mention to establish the notability of this massive cast of characters and establish notability for a standalone list. Shooterwalker (talk) 04:22, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added note about why a non-WP:NOTABLE WP:SPINOFF is inappropriate: the main article for this is around 40kb. According to WP:TOOBIG is "length alone does not justify division" at a size of around 40kb. Without being too rigid about it, the main article actually has been divided, with an encyclopedic spinout for List of Initial D episodes. There's no value to spinning that out with a third in-universe article, which would just duplicates most of the information in both the main article and the plot summary spinoff. And returning to the original reason for nomination, if you removed the in-universe and primary sourced information in this character spinout article, there would be no article. Hence my recommendation for deletion. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nominator, this is a massive list of solely in-universe material that fails WP:LISTN and WP:PLOT. Devonian Wombat (talk) 05:04, 3 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 00:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 00:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Anime and manga-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 00:06, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP The main article reads: "As of July 2013, collected tankōbon volumes of the Initial D manga series sold 48 million copies". This manga is quite notable, anime and games based on it also, and if the character list won't fit in the main article then a spinoff article for it is justified. Dream Focus 00:32, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as sizesplit from the main franchise. Deletion is not cleanup. Many of the character descriptions are kept short and comparable to other manga / anime franchises of similar sizes. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:47, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This being a split is not a reason to keep since this gargantuan mass of fancruft should not exist anywhere on Wikipedia. If you can write 90 thousand bytes of prose on something without citing a single reliable source, then that information is worthless no matter how it is presented. Devonian Wombat (talk) 01:58, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep as per Dream Focus Satellizer el Bridget ^(Talk) 02:08, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per WP:TNT. Entirely WP:OR fancruft, but might be notable if rewritten completely._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 21:14, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

If consensus is to delete or TNT, it will have to be redirected back to the main article. Character descriptions can be shortened, but there are still many characters and teams that need to be described. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:39, 4 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and redirect as WP:OR without any reliable independent sources. Jontesta (talk) 01:19, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect - Character lists are certainly valid spinout articles for notable series, but the information contained within them still needs to be based on reliable sources. We can't just automatically Keep lists of unsourced information just because other series actually have sourced character lists. Rorshacma (talk) 20:54, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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