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The result was Snow Keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010Talk 23:55, 24 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- List of Japan national football team hat-tricks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)
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This deletion listing includes all national football team hat trick lists that I could find. Note that this is a relisting after the first AfD was closed for bundling too many articles together.
A hat-trick is a semi-common occurrence in football which while notable in the context of regular news reporting, is not an outstanding achievement in and of itself. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information - lists need to have some justification to their existence beyond the collection of statistics. Notable hat-tricks will be described in player, team or where relevant match articles. For national teams, results are already listed (eg Japan national football team results and fixtures; Romania national football team results etc) which will of course list hat-tricks. We also list top goalscorers, notable matches, finals etc. Hat-trick lists simply repackage goals that are listed elsewhere on Wikipedia, in a way which most alamancs, encylopedias and football websites don't bother doing. I think that's key for judging the worth of a list - by and large, these lists do not exist outside of Wikipedia: they have been collated together from football results databases. This is evidence, I think, of the indiscriminate and unnecessary nature of these pages, which also makes them border on being original research. There are 200+ national football teams - a list of hat-tricks in each of these is simply unnecessary. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I am also nominating the following related pages:
- List of Romania national football team hat-tricks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Portugal national football team hat-tricks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Philippines national football team hat-tricks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of England national football team hat-tricks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Wales national football team hat-tricks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Scotland national football team hat-tricks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of Australia national soccer team hat-tricks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- France national football team hat-tricks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- Germany national football team hat-tricks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
- List of United States men's national soccer team hat-tricks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:21, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Please also note the following related discussions:
- Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:54, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I rather thought that obtaining a consensus was the point of a deletion discussion! --Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 10:26, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- As WP:BEFORE notes, subject-specific guidelines should be checked. I don't think we have previously had a discussion here about the notability of hat-trick lists, therefore a discussion was needed at WP:FOOTY first before placing all of the articles on AfD. You ignored comments from two users (Fenix Down and GiantSnowman) in the WP:FOOTY discussion that we should have a full discussion about the issue first. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:26, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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