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The result was redirect to Martha Speaks (TV series). Not strictly the consensus, but seems like a reasonable compromise. Editors can merge from the history if necessary. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:49, 7 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of Martha Speaks characters[edit]

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One, the characters list fails WP:GNG. No sources except sourcing the show itself. It has been tagged with ((notability)) and ((no references)). Zero RS published on such characters. I don't even think MS itself could meet notability guidelines - so does the characters with a separate article all together. Furthermore, I have seen pages on much more notable fictional works that don't have list of ## characters pages, such as Clifford the Big Red Dog (TV series). Also see Talk:Helen Lorraine.

Second - the list is a frequent WP:SOCK target, especially from sockpuppets of User:Simulation12 and User:JoeyPknowsalotaboutthat. The sockpuppets believe the characters are notable, when they clearly aren't. Both have caused massive disruption on the page. Letting the article remain separate is WP:DNFTT.

Furthermore, in the Spanish and Portuguese articles, there is a massive list of characters in the article about the show itself. I think the episodes list can stay separate because the episodes are slightly more notable and have reliable second-party sources.

For me, the best choice is to merge with Martha Speaks (TV series), or delete entirely. 47.72.38.3 (talk) 05:47, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Every show that exists does not automatically need a standalone character list; this is done only in cases where the characters have some degree of real-world notability that can be referenced to reliable source coverage about the characters, and not just in-universe to the show itself. Exponentially far more TV shows don't have one of these than do — and the difference between a show that gets one of these and a show that doesn't is not a matter of "any show gets to have one as soon as an editor actually takes the time to make one", but of "shows only get one if their characters actually receive real-world coverage and analysis of their significance". That latter test is failed here big time. And there's not even much point to merging it, since the level of detail present here is patently excessive, and wouldn't add much value to the show's article — the show's article does need to have a smaller, much more trimmed-back cast list readded to it, but it doesn't need a wholesale cut and paste of everything in this page. Bearcat (talk) 17:22, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Without coverage in independent reliable sources, this article is -- and will remain -- a collection of observations and fancruft. - SummerPhD^v2.0 17:38, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as fancruft and listcruft. ^Semi_Hypercube ✎ 20:25, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the main article already lists the major characters in the series. Merging would just add more fancruft to it. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:55, 29 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Martha Speaks (TV series), a sensible merge target, although leave it for editors to choose whether anything should be merged from the history. The criticism speaks to an unjustified Spinout, but does not require deletion. A redirect decision here is strong enough. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 04:05, 30 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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