- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Reverse merger of List of Home and Away characters into this page following a renaming of this page to "List of former Home and Away characters". I'll implement this with a round-robin page move as suggested. Vanamonde (Talk) 00:22, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Following the merge closures of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of former Neighbours characters and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of former Hollyoaks characters, let's discuss this (also note no merge closure at Talk:List_of_Home_and_Away_characters#Merge_from_List_of_former_Home_and_Away_characters; the latter merge was less attended and I think drew just participants from WP:SOAPS and does not represent a project-wide consensus like the outcomes of discussions we get at AfD). Per my prior arguments, I think readers will be better served with a single list; division into current and former can be easily maintained after the merge. Note also that the size is not an issue (the lists are ~70kb and ~10kb, respectively). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:01, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment If it's a WP:MERGE you're seeking then you don't need to start an AfD. TarnishedPathtalk 02:18, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @TarnishedPath Please note that merge proposal was rejected by the SOAP project members. I still think it is better than deletion, but one list of characters per show is what we need to achieve, one way or another. The concept of "List of former Home and Away characters" fails NLIST/GNG. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:25, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- As I said in the other discussion, I was never a fan of the information being divided between two lists (this page used to be called "List of Home and Away characters" and include both former and current characters), but the information from this article needs to be preserved somehow. Skteosk (talk) 15:47, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:33, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge/Redirect it looks like there's a consensus for a merge as an WP:ATD. This would still merit deletion given the insufficient coverage in reliable sources. But I encourage editors to look for focus on better articles, not more articles. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:57, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge - Merge into one list. I would request the edit history of this list is preserved during that process. We need one "List of Home and Away characters" and no more. It would make sense to have the content from List of Home and Away characters, added to the top of this articles content. It fits best under the title of "List of Home and Away characters". Since this list about fictional characters, "former" anything seems a little in-universe and redundant. I can watch them in present time anytime I like. @Piotrus: - Would you agree? As for the above comment.. 180 RS sources are presented in the references.Rain the 1 19:16, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @Raintheone Sounds good to me. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 00:29, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please be specific about Merge targets. I thought it would be Merging this page to List of Home and Away characters but one of the comments said to take content from that article to place on this article so the situation is not clear to me.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:51, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My preference would be to revert the page to its former title of List of Home and Away characters, add the current characters back on in their correct alphabetical placing (possibly highlighhed), and get rid of the page that took over that name. Failing that, place the current main characters in a section at the top of this page, in order of first appearance as on the other page, and have the former main characters listed below them as they currently are on this page. Moving the whole of the contents of that page over here, including the so-called current recurring characters (some of whom haven't appeared for years) and the limited information on future cast changes, seems like it could create problems and encourage the page spiralling out of control as people see it as a reason to add other minor characters. Skteosk (talk) 05:22, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Skteosk, I doubt any closer can follow your description of what you would like to happen much less carry it out. We need one simple option (Keep, Delete, Merge, Redirect, Draftify), most of what you are discussing involves editing and that is not the province of the AFD closer. The more complicated you make this, the more likely this will be closed as No consensus. Liz Read! Talk! 06:45, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Liz Well...why say "Please be specific about Merge targets...the situation is not clear to me." if you just wanted a one word response? Skteosk (talk) 16:13, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Skteosk, it's the way that the closing tool, XFDCloser, is set up...there is one action (Keep/Delete/Merge/Redirect/Draftify), and Merge/Redirect to one existing article. But maybe a different closer will take an interest in this discussion and be willing to follow more complicated instructions. Liz Read! Talk! 06:09, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge I support a merge as having a former and current page garentees that one will eventually become outdated.Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:20, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge per above. Content saved, target improved, win win. // Timothy :: talk 02:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- There's a consensus to merge, and I was going to close it as such, but I have no idea how to implement the consensus that this article and its history should replace the other one - we can't combine the histories as the pages have existed and been edited in parallel at the same time, so how/where is the history of the other article meant to go? Can't just delete it, that's outside the scope of this AfD. Genuinely no idea how to proceed and implement this consensus. Daniel (talk) 11:31, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Softdelete will preserve history... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Probably a WP:ROBIN move is the best technical solution. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:07, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.