The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.--Fuhghettaboutit 01:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of living supercentenarians[edit]

List of living supercentenarians (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Compare this list with 2 other lists:

• List of centenarians - when someone dies, all you have to do is update by changing:

  Centenarian name (brth- ) occupation

  to:

  Centenarian name (brth-deth) occupation.

• List of the oldest people - when someone dies, all you have to do is update by adding her death date, removing Still alive, and changing her age in years and days from the age template to regular text so it won't get any automatic updates.
• For this list, it is much harder to mantain updates for when someone dies. What you have to do when someone dies is remove her and make manual updates for all younger people on this list, as well as update the figure on how many there are. Georgia guy 18:21, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Difficulty in maintenance is not a reason for deletion. In any case, the cited examples, while covering substantially similar subjects, are still slightly different. Those two lists will continue to expand over time, naturally, and trying to wade through that list to find those centenarians who are still living becomes progressively more difficult. There may be some logic in the idea of some form of merge here, perhaps with some kind of sortable table that would enable quicker finding of living persons, but even then the solution is not to delete. ɑʀкʏɑɴ 19:05, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, as per Arkyan. Lugnuts 19:56, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment At some point this will become unmaintainable due to sheer size, and because as this status becomes more common, it is likely that some of them will be overlooked by the media. Casperonline 20:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Perhaps some well-written code could make maintaining the article simpler. A merge with list of centenarians is a pretty good idea, too. Useight 22:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong keep An interesting feature to this article is that it incorporates a program to automatically update the person's age. A supercentenarian is a person who has lived longer than 110 years, and there are, as of today, 85 such persons on a planet with 7,000,000,000 or so residents. In that Wikipedia has a currency that no book can have, and that no newspaper can maintain, this is a perfect example of the type of information that was envisioned for a free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. I've reviewed the history page, and it is clear that this list is maintained, with one name added and one removed in the past two weeks. Mandsford 22:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  Show me how easy you think this list is to mantain. Georgia guy 22:34, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. All we need is an auto-updating 'rank' formula. However, we also need these cases to be referenced...it could be a problem separating true and false cases if we don't maintain standards. So, this could be 'kept and improved' but ideas on how to do so are needed. 131.96.70.164 23:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Arkyan. I can think of several users, myself included, who wouldn't mind taking a few minutes to update this, even by hand, when someone dies. It's more tedious than difficult. I do think, however, we need to have to have some standard of who gets on the list. It does seem that some of the decisions to add people in have been subjective. Nicholas Kao Se Tseien is included, but Ruby Muhammad is not. Neither are on the GRG, yet both have available citations for claims of being supercentenarians. Fan Shee Hoo is an unverified Canadian case not on the list, but two other unverified Canadian cases are. I admit the page needs some (maybe a lot) of elbow grease, but that doesn't mean it should be deleted. Canadian Paul 01:07, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. The Nicolaus Kao Se Tseien case has been falsely reported as accepted by Guinness. However, it is still arguable that his case is accepted by the Roman Catholic church as 'oldest priest'. Ruby Muhammad was named the 'Mother of the Nation of Islam' in 1986, of which great age ('89' at the time) seems to not be the only motivation for such a rank. Subsequent research has cast doubt on her age claim, suggesting she is a decade younger than claimed. I do have the birth records for Bessie Roffey so she will be verified; however I have not even started on Dorothy Hodgson so that seems a bit speculative.Ryoung122 19:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. If you have trouble maintaining the rank column, then the rank column (which appears entirely superfluous to me) can be removed. JulesH 07:27, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Very strong keep. As per "Arkyan" and "Canadian Paul". Extremely sexy 17:38, 11 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep
  • List of centenarians includes only people who are notable for reasons other than age, so it is not useful as a replacement for this article
  • List of the oldest people does not include all living supercentenarians

Seeing as the only reason for the nomination was that it was duplicated by the other lists, and it isn't, the choice seems clear.Matchups 01:46, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Very strong keep. As per "Arkyan", "mandsford", and "Canadian Paul". Mathmo ^Talk 04:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, I can see the value in such a list and believe it to be both manageable and worthy of encyclopedic note. Yamaguchi先生 01:46, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per comments above. The list is manageable, and if someone finds difficulty in updating it, don't edit the page then. I don't mind updating it at all. -AMK152^{(Talk • Contributions • Send message)} 11:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Did you see the lead off news story on the main page? Yone Minagawa, formerly the world's oldest person, is dead at 114 (just a coincidence, folks, nothing to do with this debate, I'm sure), and Edna Parker is now the oldest person in the world. I would bet that someone has already updated the article, and it's that type of currency that makes it a keeper on Wikipedia. Mandsford 21:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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