The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. --Core desat 02:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of miscellaneous commercial failures[edit]

Like List of flops in entertainment, whose AfD can be viewed here, this article is entirely made up of anecdotal, unsourced original research. The very title demonstrates that it is an indiscriminate list. Furthermore, it does not define "commercial failure", and is written in a gossipy tone. List of films that grossed less than their budget or List of Broadway plays that ran for less than 6 months are well-defined, potentially encyclopedic topics. This article is not and should be deleted or blanked and restarted with real criteria and sources. Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 22:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The word flop or failure itself isn't neutral, therefore each addition to the list would have a point of view from the author's own perspective. I agree with the nomination that this list and other similar ones should either be split or moved to separate lists with more accurate titles. So unless reliable sources which describe the failures could be provided, delete. Michaelas10 (Talk) 23:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - there simply aren't specific enough parameters for this list. We shouldn't have this for the same reason we don't have List of miscellaneous French words - the list couldn't even approach completion without being mind-bogglingly long. --Hyperbole 23:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOT a list of indiscriminate (i.e., miscellaneous) information. Semperf 00:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete ...but I suspect this is an article which is going to come back from the dead when someone decides that "Commercial flops (whatever they should decide that means) should be in one place to reference". If this article is deleted, all pages which reference here should either be de-redlinked, rephrased, or otherwise not be pointing here, to avoid this happening. This article is widely linked (check 'What links here' for the page), and if only deleted without these changes, I suspect the article will reappear quickly. Skybunny 01:35, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am okay with the concept of this page. If it reappears with a clear definition on top and each entry sourced to meet that specific definition, that would be great.-Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 03:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the word miscellaneous says it all. Define failure. Define miscellaneous. Guy (Help!) 09:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Here's the history behind this article: It was once at the title "List of major flops", but later changed to "List of commercial failures". Later, someone decided this list was too big, and split it into a bunch of different lists, accessible from Category:Commercial failure lists. Entries that didn't fit into one of the delimited flop types ended up on this list. Anyway, like most of the other "commercial failure" lists, this is almost pure original research. This is unsourced trivia appropriate for an entertainment website, not an encyclopedia. A neutral, verifiable article on this subject is possible, but it would have to be rebuilt from the ground up. (On a side note, this is one of the first pages I worked on when I was new here.) szyslak (t, c) 17:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Bussiness failures are common and present everywhere. Pavel Vozenilek 02:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep. This list is a good resorse for product that were suposed to be revolutionary but missed the mark with consumers. I originaly found this page looking for information on a product I did not know the name of, DVD that only lasted 2 days, for a report i was doing. Thanks to this list not only do I now know that it is called Flexplay I also found information on older flops that I was not aware of like the Digital Compact Cassette. Several good resorses have recently been deleted from this site pleas do not make this anouther victim of deletion —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 150.176.200.253 (talk) 16:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC).[reply]
Delete - needs strict rules on what counts as a 'flop'. Otherwise, it's nothing more than a list of products that somebody doesn't like. Blowski 10:42, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.