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The result was keep both. —Darkwind (talk) 06:18, 27 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of mobile phones with WVGA display[edit]

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List with too broad of an inclusion criteria, and its outdated (still says "Mobile phones with WVGA native display resolution are becoming more common"). Also nominating List of mobile phones with HD display for similar reason ViperSnake151 Talk 05:50, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Technology-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 14:29, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:INDISCRIMINATE, not encyclopedic, trivia. No evidence that "mobile phones with WVGA display" is a notable topic with more than passing media interest. (Should we have a list of phones with 1GB RAM? With 4.2" display? With three buttons? With rounded corners? Where does the madness end? What are the criteria to judge such lists worthwhile?) --Colapeninsula (talk) 12:14, 5 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

WP:INDISCRIMINATE does not apply. Both lists are certainly WP:DISCRIMINATE lists. Where do we end such lists? That is a good question. We end such lists when they do not provide useful additional information to other articles. If, for some reason, there is a place in an article where it is appropriate to have a list of mobile phones with three buttons and that list grows such that it is too large to reasonably include in an article, then there should be a separate page with a list of such phones. --Makyen (talk) 15:33, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Personally, I think a category of "Mobile devices with 720p displays" and "Mobile devices with 1080p displays" would be a bit more manageable than trying to maintain a list. ViperSnake151 Talk 16:13, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If having two separate lists pages (instead of two lists on one "HD" page) is something that would be useful to another article that references them, then we could do so. Keep in mind that we would be making new list pages for each new resolution as it comes out just to make the page. This might not be a bad thing. If your goal is to have a discussion on restructuring how these lists are kept, then I feel it would have been better to have had that discussion on the talk pages of the relevant lists, then create the new lists (if that was the consensus), then have the AfD process started.

My impression is that most people group all displays that are 720[ip] and 1080[ip] as "HD". This is due to the way televisions have been marketed over the last several years. While I, personally, don't group them as such, I believe that most people do.--Makyen (talk) 17:31, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Both lists are useful additions to the articles which reference them. They are referenced in articles that discuss mobile phone displays and/or display resolutions. While I do not know the history of List of mobile phones with HD display, the List of mobile phones with WVGA display was created because the primary article that references it, Graphics display resolution, had a list of such phones in its section on WVGA as examples of such displays. That embedded list became long as multiple editors wanted to add their favorite phone to the examples listed. Multiple attempts were made to keep the embedded list to a reasonable size, or eliminate it. Eventually, it was clear that neither method was going to work. As described in WP:SPLITLIST the list was split off into its own set index article.

List of mobile phones with HD display is a high quality list that I find quite useful. I feel that it should be kept even if List of mobile phones with WVGA display is deleted.

Responses to the reasons specified as why these should be deleted:

"too broad of an inclusion criteria"

I honestly don't understand this reason. Both lists included in this AfD have very specific criteria for inclusion in the list. If the inclusion criteria are too broad then we should be able to break those included in the list down into sub-lists (I am not suggesting creating pages for each). WVGA contains multiple actual display resolutions because that is how "WVGA" developed over time for computer displays. I don't see why we would want to break down the WVGA list beyond what has already been done. The list was created for reference in the WVGA section of Graphics display resolution for the reason stated above.

The List of mobile phones with HD display could be broken down into two lists one that is 720p (HD) and one that is 1080[ip] (Full HD). The List of mobile phones with HD display currently contains both lists. It is debatable as to if the list should be broken down further. Most people probably group all displays that are 720x1280, or greater, as HD displays. This is due to how television displays have been marketed over the last several years. In my opinion it should be left as it is, at least for the foreseeable future.

From your comment above you appear to want to break the list into one that is 720p and one that is 1080p. I feel that it would have been much more appropriate to discuss this on the list's talk page, or at least creating the 720p and 1080p lists prior to making a AfD.

outdated (still says "Mobile phones with WVGA native display resolution are becoming more common")

The fact that they both said "are becoming more common" is not a reason to delete them. It is a reason to edit the pages and change the text to something like "have become common". I have made this edit on both pages. Seriously, taking the position that a page should be deleted for lack of editing that would have taken less effort than starting a AfD is not a reasonable position to take. Because this is not a reasonable position to take, I am attempting to come up with other ways to interpret your comment.

Are you taking the position that the lists have become outdated, in that they don't include a significant number of phones that should be in the list? Even if true, this is not a reason for deletion. It is a reason to edit the page to include those that you believe should be added.

Are you taking the position that technology has so far exceeded the WVGA and HD displays on phones such that keeping a list of them around is no longer desirable? If so, this is just not true. Phones with such displays are still being introduced. The List of mobile phones with HD display increased from 57 to 77 in the last 2 months. The List of mobile phones with WVGA display is much slower moving with only 3 additional phones from the beginning of the year.

Perhaps I have misunderstood your arguments. If so, please explain.

Is it that you feel the WVGA list is outdated (but not too broad) and the HD list is too broad (but not outdated)?

The lists serve useful functions in the articles that reference them. I see no valid reason to delete them. I vote keep. --Makyen (talk) 17:31, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:54, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I agree with User:Makyen, both lists are useful and I don't see anything special against Wikipedia policies. --Faramarz^♚♔♚ 18:09, 13 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Concur with User:Makyen. I cannot see reason from deletion policy supporting deletion. jni (talk) 07:13, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Outdated is irrelevant to notability . WP is an encyclopedia, and keeps historical information. This was of key importance a few years ago, and we should keep the record. The language of the article seems to need some adjustment, but that is all. DGG ( talk ) 20:49, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete List of mobile phones with WVGA display per WP:LISTN. Larglely unsourced, with the few sources present being primary sources; largely unencyclopedic list which could be covered by categorisation.
Keep List of mobile phones with HD display as offering encyclopedic content (tabular format), possibly meeting WP:LISTN via sources such as Do We Need “Full HD” Mobile Phones?

-- Trevj (talk) 11:01, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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