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The result was delete‎. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 02:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of rulers of Shan states[edit]

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Article is a collection of 77 unsourced genealogies, with four footnotes. There is probably a notable list for this topic, but in its current state, WP:TNT is needed to make room; if all the unsourced genealogy material was removed, there would a a title and categories. Wikipedia is not a genealogy site. // Timothy :: talk 13:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people, Royalty and nobility, and Myanmar. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Calling this a genealogy would be the same as calling List of French monarchs a genealogy; technically not incorrect but a bit silly as it is a list of rulers. Certainly passes WP:NLIST; for instance, in the appendix of this book, there is a list of the rulers of about 35 of these states from 1887 to 1959. It seems the majority of the present article is derived from WorldStatesman [1], which is of course deprecated. WP:TNT is an option that is on the table. Curbon7 (talk) 22:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep: I don't know if it's past the WP:TNT tipping point yet. It's likely that much of the content could be sourced from the generic references. Don't think the material is necessarily controversial enough to mandate WP:INLINE citations. Of course, it's also likely that WorldStatesman is the true source, hence the weak keep. I don't personally have much time to edit this week, but I could go through the book Curbon listed or find other books I do have on Shan states and try to inline cite some the week after that. But doesn't seem unrecoverable and full of misinformation just because of a lack of inline citations. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 03:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:16, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Here are some recent (last couple of weeks) examples of why TNT is needed: [2], [3], [4]. None of this is sourced, no one can tell if these edits are correct or not. The article is too far gone to expect anyone to fix it. // Timothy :: talk 08:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Good selections- as far as I can tell it isn't merely even changes in romanizations/inconsistent dating between chronicles. Changing my vote to agree on TNT grounds. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 17:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Essentially no citations. Celia Homeford (talk) 11:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 03:59, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:34, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Looked for and could not find any better sources than the one this article was copy-pasted from,[5] although another person seems to have the same text on their website.[6] Google any two random names and there are no results. These facts lack provenance. The sources from a hundred years ago have not been digitized, so few of the data points can be verified. WP:TNT may leave a crater that isn't replaced for a great long while but there's no clear path toward improving the article. Wizmut (talk) 17:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. These lists are also on their main pages. See Kengcheng, Möng Mao, and Mongnai State, for example. No need to keep the same lists on this page.

About sources, I can provide some; however, the current lists need to be rechecked:

- Hsenwi: [7] (Thai)

- Kengcheng: Chronicles of Chiang Khaeng A Tai Lü Principality of the Upper Mekong. Cannot find a full version online.

- Kengtung: is well-sourced.

- Möng Mao: [8] [9] (Thai)

- Hsenwi, Mongyang State, Chiang Hung: [10] (Chinese)

- Möng Mao, Mongkawng, Wanmaw State: [11]

- Mongyawng State: [12] (Thai) transcribed from the original text

- Chiang Hung: [13] (Thai) สี่ขีด (talk) 04:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.