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The result was delete. Tone 14:39, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of rumored video games[edit]

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We already have lists of the cancelled and unreleased games. This goes beyond that into pure rumor, violating WP:NOTRUMOR. Also goes into WP:INDISCRIMINATE as just because anyone in their basement made up a hoax video game doesn't mean it's notable enough for Wikipedia. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 12:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 12:31, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Obviously WP:NOTRUMOR. TarkusAB^talk/contrib 12:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• "WP:NOTRUMOR" is inappropriate because the article does not list unverifiable information as it stands in "WP:NOTRUMOR". The article does not say that these games exist or not, this would be "WP:NOTRUMOR" because this is not verifiable, it only says that there are rumors about the existence of these games which is verifiable (see sources). "WP:INDISCRIMINATE" is very subjective in this context. I personally think that a list of rumored video games can be interesting for many people and can have added value, for example if someone wants to gather more information about these games to find out more about their possible existence.--User:Maxeto0910 14:53, 8 September 2020

• The rumors may have been written about on some website, but by definition, a rumor cannot be truly verifiable. Otherwise, it would be confirmed and not a rumor._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 14:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• If the article is about a rumor, we're not concerned with whether it's true, only whether that rumor has been noted. postdlf (talk) 22:20, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• That's true, but this doesn't violate "WP:NOTRUMOR". The same applies for articles like List of conspiracy theories.--User:Maxeto0910 15:07, 8 September 2020
• Delete It would be one thing to try to confirm something through rumors, and another to verify that it was a notable rumor/speculation. I believe rumors can be covered if it was more than just a rumor and the rumor itself has to be notable on its own. With that said, i don't believe it is a good idea to have a list of rumored video games. There are no well-known reliable sources used at all to verify these rumors, and the list is far too small to be considered a valid topic. So i recommend delete.Blue Pumpkin Pie ^{Chat Contribs} 15:25, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Based entirely on rumours, and is very fancrufty if you ask me. Foxnpichu (talk) 16:11, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete This list has no real basis. There may be a broader op for a list like "Urban rumors related to video games" among which Polybius would be one, and something like the volume of games buried at the Atari video game burial could be another, but I don't know if there are much more to support that. --Masem (t) 17:15, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - None of these supposed games are notable, save for Polybius which is already covered extensively in its own article. None of the sources being used to discuss these are from reliable sources, save maybe the German source on Mr. Mix, which, upon translation, flat out says that the story on the game is fake. Rorshacma (talk) 17:47, 8 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep. I cannot find the list of unreleased video games mentioned by the OP, nor a list of cancelled video games? The current title is problematic, but we should compare the lists to see what could be merged, etc. And if the targets are not given, well, then the argument that this is a POVFORK or such is not easy to verify. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Category:Video games by development status, which includes a heavily populated Category:Cancelled video games. postdlf (talk) 12:41, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thanks, but there is the argument that list can supplement a category. In this case, since there are sources, it seems feasible to have a list of such games. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:04, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @Piotrus: I'm against the idea of trying to spin this list into unreleased/cancelled video games. The big difference is that those lists would have to verify and confirm the video game was in the making, and that is not tangent to a list of video games that were notable for being speculation.Blue Pumpkin Pie ^{Chat Contribs} 15:47, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 12:18, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Question The article is presenting "famous" video games from the 1980s and 90s etc.. that were rumored to exist but never released. As such, their notability is entirely in their lack of existence. They might even be called fictional games, or games that are famous/notable for never being released. Is this a correct understanding of the cultural phenomenon? Sort of like cryptozoology and List of cryptids. -- GreenC 14:12, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• @GreenC: to be famous they had to be verified by strong reliable sources. which there are no reliable sources or impact that is verified. its a list of some rumors that were verified once from questionable sources. Polybius is the one and only game that is verified to being famous. Let's also not forget that the list is very short.Blue Pumpkin Pie ^{Chat Contribs} 16:40, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Lengthy article about the phenomenon of unreleased computer products, including games:

George Kopp (December 12, 1983). "Now You See It.. Now You Don't". Electronic Fun with Computers & Games. 2 (2): 38-41 and 100-101 – via Internet Archive.

This is an old source. It demonstrates the topic of the list has been discussed for a while and can be sourced at the topic-level vs. individual games. -- GreenC 03:27, 13 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@GreenC:The topic in the source provided isn't really talking about "rumored" video games, it's talking about confirmed and unreleased video games. The list in question is talking about a list of video games that were speculated to be in the works but had no official confirmation. I do think this list could exist but the evidence currently provided isn't good enough.Blue Pumpkin Pie ^{Chat Contribs} 15:47, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I see. We have List_of_vaporware#Video_games but this article takes it to a different level of a mere rumor of a game being in existence. Difficult for Wikipedia reliable source purposes. -- GreenC 14:04, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per WP:HAMMER. Lots of games and videos and LPs are rumored. Bearian (talk) 16:57, 14 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:NOTRUMOR with lack of reliable sources discussing each entry in-depth. The descriptions are basically speculation and OR based on just single mostly-questionably sources. There ought to be significant sourcing for each item to even include the mentions, otherwise it's just routine rumor-mongering. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 13:28, 15 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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