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The result was Delete. IronGargoyle 20:13, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs covered by the band Pearl Jam[edit]

List of songs covered by the band Pearl Jam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

Playing a cover song at a concert is not particularly notable. Any notable recordings of another artist's song by Pearl Jam should be noted in the article for that song and in a Pearl Jam discography. Otto4711 21:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - not notable --Speed Air Man 21:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Pearl Jam has gained some notoriety for the songs they have covered, as should be evident by the sheer number that makes up the list. It also serves as a sort of counter-discography of songs that the band plays (some regularly), and is a very handy tool for discerning what is in fact NOT a pearl Jam song. Perhaps the focus should not be to delete the article, but to clean it up with notes on frequency of play/ETC. Many of these songs ARE purchasable on commercially available "bootlegs", and therefore are part of the official Discography. The fact that the band records and sells just about every show they have conducted would make coming up with a truly viable and accurate discography VERY difficult. BUT to that end, perhaps this list should be integrated with the Pearl Jam Discography page? (although doing that would likely case that article to become too large, and it would be recomended that it be split into several articles). I could write a ton more reasons, but I fear that soon someone will figure out that I'm not really working right now. Cstella23 21:49, 31 May 2007 (UTC) - addendum, the person who nominated this for deletion seems to just go willy nilly nominating things for deletion (see his talk page) Bear that in mind before you make this go away.[reply]

• First off, words like "willy nilly" indicate a failure to assume good faith and are not civil. Second, you make my point for me when you note that some of the songs are part of the Pearl Jam discography. Those songs should definitely be in the discography instead of being split off into a list of any song that the band happened to play at some point. Otto4711 23:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• you are right about the willy nilly, very sorry. Additionally, I have looked into the deletion process a bit more, and it is nice to see that due process is being followed, and that there is legitimate debate on both sides. Cstella23 16:17, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. This is helpful, and our excellent popular culture coverage is one of the key strengths of Wikipedia. It would be nice if songs that are on official bootlegs would be sourced in some way. Currently, this article lacks references, I mean can I just add my favourite song here, if I put some random obscure concert in my edit summary? There are verifiability problems, but the list itself seems very nice. See also List of songs covered by Dream Theater, another band notable for their covers. --Merzul 22:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - note Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs covered by Jimi Hendrix along with similar nominations for similar lists for Phish, Limp Bizket and Genesis. The existence of the Dream Theater article does not justify the existence of this one. Otto4711 23:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Noted, my vote was not quite so informed. I didn't realize there was a general drive to get rid of these lists. I don't think I have an opinion on this issue, as I'm not a pop-culture editor myself, but I appreciate the effort people put into these things, and I think they add some charm to Wikipedia. While I think this is rather harmless fun, in fear of any further pipped links, such as this, I withdraw my vote. (Just kiddin, I didn't feel intimidated, I changed my vote because it was a convincing reply). --Merzul 00:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I am a little troubled by this one. There is obviously a precedent for deleting these lists & if Hendrix doesn't fly, then neither will Pearl Jam nor that other band you mentioned...Still, the argument that much of this is verifiable, by being on a bootleg playlist or part of the official discography is compelling. The argument as well that it cannot be seamlessly incorporated into the Discography article also makes sense. This information, though it may seem "un-encyclopedic" to some is really, really interesting to others. —Gaff ^ταλκ 00:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• To me it's not just a question of verifiability. Some of this is apparently verifiable, although none of the line items in the article are sourced. The bigger concern for me is notability. Any actual notable covers, for instance those that are officially or "semi-officially" available as recordings, should be on the discography. There's no need for a separate article from the discography for notable covers, and without the notable covers there's really no grounds for the article. Otto4711 01:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• I think we are up against an agreed upon definition of notability to apply to these sorts of lists. I was surprised to see that the list of Hendrix songs went down so decisively, as that could be of interest to many people. However, I did just vote to delete the list of left handed people on the argument that WP is not a directory. This feels about the same. —Gaff ^ταλκ 02:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment since they have covered more songs than they have written by a factor of 50:1, wouldn't this oficially make P.J. a cover band? --Infrangible 03:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - completely over-the top unencyclopaedic information. Better suited to a Pearl Jam fansite. - fchd 05:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletions. -- Pax:Vobiscum 18:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Far too trivial for an encyclopedia. I'm also having trouble seeing how this could be sourced, I assume the info has been added by fans who have heard a cover in a live show. Pax:Vobiscum 18:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as NN.Nomen Nescio^{Gnothi seauton} 13:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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