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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:10, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

List of sports clubs playing in the league of another country[edit]

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WP:LISTCRUFT page that appears to fail WP:GNG via WP:LISTN as the topic of the list Sports clubs playing the league of another country does not appear to be widely covered topic in general. (Per LISTN, the general requirement is: "has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list".) This page originated as List of association football clubs playing in the league of another country from December 2006 to May 2016, a topic that does at least appear to be well-documented as the governing bodies in football are recognized and organize designated national leagues. That topic was recently re-split from the nominated page in January 2018 (creating a WP:Parallel histories problem for edit history attribution).

The nominated page appears to have taken the sourced topic of football national leagues and foreign team participation and then used original research to synthesize an extrapolated list of so-called national leagues and teams, when there is no documentation that says that a league or team is a representative or sanctioned by a national governing body. (The lead even says Conditions for competing in a "foreign" league, as well as in a continental/confederational competition, are set case-by-case by the international sports federation as well as the respective confederation and national sport associations involved.) A good example of this here is American and Canadian gridiron football, which has no national governing bodies for professional leagues, yet it has the American expansions for the CFL (which decided to that on their own through their own board of governors) and Canadian and Mexican teams in indoor American football (which again has no sanctioning and is entirely up to each league's operators).

Some of these sports probably can be sourced with national governing bodies (some rugby is sanctioned I believe) and should be taken on a sport-by-sport basis, splitting into new single-sport or league articles. But as an overarching general topic, all sports do not necessarily have actual "national" leagues (despite their names sometimes, like National Hockey League, which is definitely neither a solely Canadian or American league). See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of ice hockey clubs playing in the league of another country for a long discussion of this. Yosemiter (talk) 19:44, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm voting delete for similar reasons I voted delete for the other AfD mentioned above: WP:OR, WP:SYNTH and the fact there's no real criteria for the list. I would vote strong keep for the association football list, though, as that's well referenced and has clear criteria due to the way in which the sport is internationally administered. SportingFlyer talk 23:45, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 01:45, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. Gabe Iglesia (talk) 01:45, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Absoutely list cruft. Thinking of the U.S., where I live, the NBA and MLB are not "leagues of the U.S." They are based in the U.S. and have most teams in the U.S., but the Toronto (and Montreal and Vancouver) franchises are equals to the U.S.-based teams, with no reason for this call out. – Muboshgu (talk) 14:54, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Strong point, strongly worded, worth remembering. -The Gnome (talk) 13:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for lacking notability or usefulness qualifications, per nomination. -The Gnome (talk) 13:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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