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The result was Keep. Obvious consensus supporting keeping the article. (non-admin closure). Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:56, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2016–17 Football League Trophy[edit]

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Article about an upcoming sports competition. Fails WP:GNG and WP:TOOSOON. The article is mostly a copy paste of the previous season. - MrX 23:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Sorry, new to this, but the last football season has finished, this tournament will take place. Re the copy paste - if you go back over previous tournaments, they all follow the same format. This is merely a continuation of this. Deleting now only means someone else will have to recreate it in the coming weeks Juanjo3333 (talk) 18:51, 2 June 2016 (UTC).[reply]

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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 23:47, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of current NASCAR races[edit]

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Article is redundant and only a few other articles link to it. The races are covered in-depth on each series article, and there is no need to combine them into one article. – Nascar1996 (talkcont) 16:06, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason: – Nascar1996 (talkcont) 16:13, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of 2007 NASCAR races (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
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The result was keep. General consensus to keep. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 10:53, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Vincent Simmons[edit]

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Fails WP:BASIC; almost no coverage in any reliable sources, except websites advocating his innocence. Fails WP:ANYBIO; has not made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record. Fails WP:PERP. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:18, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Could you please add some links to this plentiful media coverage? Magnolia677 (talk) 02:19, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Making a "widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record" is one of the two criteria of WP:ANYBIO, and Simmons hasn't. Magnolia677 (talk) 02:49, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, but "A person who fails to meet these additional criteria may still be notable under Wikipedia:Notability." Drmies (talk) 17:41, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Which was why I added two more criteria. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:06, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 10:53, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Onyx Moonshine[edit]

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Non notable locally-distributed product with almost entirely local references (except for ref 6, which is Bloomberg) . The paid contributor notice on the article talk page said that the company making the whisky paid for the article to be written, so at least the intent was promotional. DGG ( talk ) 03:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Of note is that the article is presently written in an entirely neutral point of view, with no promotionalism present. North America1000 22:34, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Check out WP:NEXIST; notability is based on the existence of suitable sources, not on the state of sourcing in an article. North America1000 22:31, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete. Primarily local coverage, plus the one NYT article mentioned by Drmies. In 2015, one of the founders wrote a book about the experience. Still insufficient reliable sources to support WP:GNG or WP:ORG. It's just a bit WP:TOOSOON. Geoff | Who, me? 20:58, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep striking my former delete !vote in light of the recent changes and additional sources located. I now see the article as meeting WP:GNG. Geoff | Who, me? 16:27, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like the link was broken or incorrect. I've amended this now ([4]) Fbell74 (talk) 06:23, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. MelanieN (talk) 23:51, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Royal Club (brand)[edit]

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seems to fail WP:GNG, also can't find any secondary sources for this Prisencolin (talk) 03:47, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Consensus against delete, but towards a merge in the future (non-admin closure) —  crh 23  (Talk) 16:20, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Now: The Hits of Autumn 2011[edit]

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Fails WP:NALBUM. Binksternet (talk) 05:06, 2 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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That sounds reasonable, Starcheer. But saying that something can be redirected is not quite the same as saying that they will be. Are you proposing to treat this nomination as a test case for every album in the series, so that if the result here is "redirect" then that's what you'll do with all of them? If so, you'll get no objection from me. But before throwing in my support, I'd like to hear what the nominator and the other participants think about it.
By the way, that redirect target is awfully unwieldy. There are close to 600(!) in-article external links, in addition to some forty actual references. How about splitting out each series into a separate article, starting with Australia. I'm thinking of something with the title Now (series of Australian compilation albums). The information in that list article could appear in the form of a table, which would allow convenient placement of charting information, catalog numbers, year of release, etc. NewYorkActuary (talk) 21:46, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, no reason not to break it up by country - David Gerard (talk) 22:08, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Most of the references for other countries series just use Amazon or other online retailer as a "source". Not sure if releases in Hungary, for example, are even worth noting if no further info can be found in more reliable sources. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:48, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was merge to University of Malta. (non-admin closure)Davey2010Talk 23:01, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Malta Medical Students' Association[edit]

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not notable, just a student organization. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 19:49, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment@HappyValleyEditor: I'm not finding any evidence that these are press releases. For example, open the news articles I posted, perform a google search using the headlines, and notice how there are few results other than the publications that published them. Also, there are no results for the Malta Medical Students' Association as having been involved in these articles whatsoever. Some websites may have the news articles copied onto them (likely without permission), but this does not deem a reliable source as unreliable per actions the news sources have no control over. North America1000 22:12, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
North America, it was the quote "In conclusion, the MMSA would like to thank Mr Fearne and all those involved in this negotiation process and looks forward to future collaborations with the Maltese government and the relevant authorities in addressing the issue at hand." at the end of this reference.HappyValleyEditor (talk) 23:16, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, missed that. However, this is only in one of the sources, and I still don't see any evidence that these are press releases otherwise. North America1000 23:33, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete god Malta is like the town i grew up in, but a country. "Mrs. Whipple Wins Pecan Pie Bake off". If we used my small town newspaper for GNG purposes my dog would be notable for having chewed up all the gardens in the neighborhood every year. You can't write a WP article based on those articles, Northamerica. WTF is all I have to say. Jytdog (talk) 22:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Times of Malta is "the oldest daily newspaper still in circulation in Malta"; certainly not a "small town newspaper". It's unclear why you would think it is as such. The other sources also do not appear to be small town newspapers. Of note is that I have changed my !vote above a merge. North America1000 23:37, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What an absolutely ridiculous and condescending comment, Jytdog. AusLondonder (talk) 22:55, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Commenting on the sources brought by NorthAmerica. Read them and read other articles in those papers. Hyperlocal, like a small town newspaper. Jytdog (talk) 23:12, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  17:19, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Queen's Award for Enterprise: International Trade (Export) (2016)[edit]

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Pure listcruft. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:39, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Fire of Zamani. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 10:51, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gimme Dat (Ice Prince song)[edit]

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I created this article when I wasn't familiar with WP:NSONG. The song fails WP:NSONG and has not gained significant coverage in reliable source. This song needs to be redirected to its parent article  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 16:50, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Fire of Zamani. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 10:51, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More (Ice Prince song)[edit]

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I created this article when I wasn't familiar with WP:NSONG. The song fails WP:NSONG and has not gained significant coverage in reliable source. This song needs to be redirected to its parent article  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 16:50, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Redirect would have been an option but apparently there is no natural target for it. MelanieN (talk) 00:12, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Let's Get This Party Started (song)[edit]

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I created this article when I wasn't familiar with WP:NSONG. The song fails WP:NSONG and has not gained significant coverage in reliable source. This song needs to be redirected to its parent article  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 16:49, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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@Hullaballoo Wolfowitz: You say speedy keep and then say borderline notable. Borderline notable is not the same as notable. What criteria of WP:NSONG does this song meet?  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 17:08, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage suggests song may meet GNG. Note that at least one other editor has independently converted similar speedy nominations by you to redirects. This is just wasting editors' time; the appropriate outcome is evident. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 17:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You keep using words like "probable" and "may". The song is either notable or not notable. There is no middle ground here.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 17:15, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That may or may not be so, but you're assertin and repeating it isn't conclusive. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 17:19, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think the issue here is a conceptual one. Versace's understanding of WP:NSONG is that if the only significant coverage(s) to a song is in reviews then it shouldn't have its own article. But Hullaballoo Wolfowitz's is of the opinion that for a song to have so many reviews from reliable sources+it's artists being very notable then it probably already passed WP:GNG. For my sake, I hope I was able to break it down well. I am not as experienced as both of you in terms of the guidelines for inclusion of songs on Wikipedia, so I will just pass on this one.Darreg (talk) 19:51, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Darreg: This particular article will get deleted. The articles for most of the songs from Drake's Views album will be redirected to their parent article despite them charting. The problem with Drake's songs and this one is that none of them have been discussed in significant detail. Contrary to what you just said, reviews are the driving force that determines a song's notability. If this song has received reviews in reliable sources, it will meet the requirements of WP:NSONG.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 20:14, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to D'Kings Men. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 10:43, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For Example (Kay Switch song)[edit]

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I created this article when I wasn't familiar with WP:NSONG. The song fails WP:NSONG and has not gained significant coverage in reliable source. This song needs to be redirected to its parent article  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 16:49, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to D'Kings Men. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 10:43, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sister Caro[edit]

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I created this article when I wasn't familiar with WP:NSONG. The song fails WP:NSONG and has not gained significant coverage in reliable source. This song needs to be redirected to its parent article  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 16:48, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus is that the subject does not meet WP:ACADEMIC but does meet WP:GNG. MelanieN (talk) 00:16, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Henry Lin[edit]

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Non-notable astronomy undergraduate based on the WP:ACADEMIC criteria. His award is distinctly different than the type WP:PROF#C2 would count as notable. As yet WP:Too soon for WP:Prof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Astrojimmy (talkcontribs) 01:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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*Delete Not notable by either GNG or PROF standards. The standard for notability from the "academia gods" is much higher than a few papers. Poster above with the Harvard IP address should check out WP:Prof. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.134.204.61 (talk) 18:12, 26 May 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.216.61.188 (talk) [reply]

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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 00:18, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Study Sparkz[edit]

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I came across this via a speedy deletion for A7, however the Washington Post article is just enough to where it would potentially pass the low bar of speedy criteria. In any case, a search showed that the WP article is pretty much the only coverage this company has received since its founding in 2007. (It also doesn't help that the article is borderline promotional.)

This could probably be speedied, but at least this way the AfD would prevent future recreation before the company gains more coverage. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 05:53, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Added another link to the page in order to increase the known significance. I'd disagree that the article is promotional since the material on the page is fact.

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The result was delete. Whether the name is used by one artist or two, consensus is that neither is notable. MelanieN (talk) 00:23, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WRENN[edit]

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As it stands, this looks like a WP:TOOSOON case that's pretty clear-cut. I'm sympathetic to indie type artists trying to break through, but the only notable thing done by this musician so far appears to be a collaboration with an American DJ, appearing on a certain EP. That's about it. A bit of searching generates tangential commentary from blogs and the like, nothing appearing to pass WP:GNG standards. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 08:54, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - Agree with CoffeeWithMarkets. Per WP:BAND, an artist needs to have at least one song (as a lead artist) in any of the national charts. The only article that talks extensively about the singer is the Fader one which is fine. However, one source is not adequate to satisfy WP:GNG, as mentioned above. Also, for a direct example - Olvia O'Brien, who collaborated with the said DJ (Gnash), and with same credentials as this singer, does not have a Wikipedia page. Association with a notable person does not evince notability. It is too soon for the singer to have a Wikipedia page. Maybe after she releases here EP and more establishments talk about her, then we can think about it. Check Moxie Raia for reference. Hence, delete. Best, Nairspecht Converse 09:15, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - While I agree with CoffeeWithMarkets that this is a pretty clear cut case of WP:TOOSOON, upon further investigation I found that there is another musical artist going by the same name. Even more so, it appears this other artist changed their name to "Wrenn" after the song "Fragile ft. Wrenn" was released. Normally I would vote a page like this for delation, yet seeing that there is public confusion as to who the artist on "Fragile" is, I vote to keep. It serves it's purpose, which is to clear up any confusion about the authenticity of this musician. : V.Putnam (talk) 02:53, 20 May 2016 (UTC)V.Putnam (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
While I understand your concerns, that would still leave us with a page that's fundamentally flawed due to the massive lack of sourcing about Wrenn, the "Fragile"-related performer, and would seem to have very little reliable information. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 16:25, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep - This is a case I have not seen many times. Despite the fact CoffeeWithMarkets has stated what I believe to be a clear case of WP:TOOSOON, I have to agree with V.Putnam. Seeing as there is another individual going by the same name, and seemingly attempting to take credit of the creation of multiple works belonging to this musician, it is in best interest to keep this article up strictly for the clarification for the community. For this reason, keep. That being said, I do not believe any more information about the artist should be added until more notable works come into play. Cheers, VikramRaphii (talk) 20:59, 22 May 2016 (UTC)VikramRaphii (talkcontribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • How does that prove notability. Also, your account is new so I don't understand why you said "This is a case I have not seen many times". --Lemongirl942 (talk) 00:40, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I'm sorry, I didn't under stand the logic given by V.Putnam. I would at least like to see proof that another musician with the same name is attempting to take credit. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 08:31, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Are there any reliable sources discussing this? The information presented here amounts to original research which can't be included in the article, and it would not be appropriate to save the article in order to somehow strengthen the artist's claims to the name - that is not what Wikipedia is for, as Lemongirl points out below. --bonadea contributions talk 17:01, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Note to closing admin: 3 SPAs have come and !voted keep. This is a clear case where contrary to policy, Wikipedia is being used for the promotion of a non-notable artist. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 03:57, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. The article has been improved during discussion, causing the nominator to lean towards keep. Another of the delete !voters could accept a keep, leaving only one firm delete !vote, so consensus appears to be keep. MelanieN (talk) 00:29, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pyrates Royale[edit]

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Existing references are trivial mentions. No indication that the group meets WP:BAND nor WP:GNG - Barek (talkcontribs) - 19:56, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The original editor has added several additional sources. The majority of these are again trivial mentions just listing the band name in passing on a list of acts, or list of their songs (no actual coverage), list of winner of a non-notable award, etc. One of the sources gives some coverage to one of the members, but notability isn't inherited. There are two sources of possible worth. Capital Gazette has an article; but it reads as a press release advertising an event so I don't believe it would help in meeting the threshold. The second by Rambles provides okay coverage, but WP:BAND specifically requires subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works (emphasis added), so I don't believe this is enough as yet. As a result, I believe the article is at best still a weak delete. I would say "not yet", but the band aparently disbanded earlier this year (except for potential reunion gigs) so additional coverage is likely to be minimal if existant at all. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 23:16, 18 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I would argue that GazetteNet and Traditions, a radio program covering folk music would make multiple sources. But I would also argue that the multiple "trivial" references indicate that this group was a well-known and therefore notable part of the folk music community, at least in the Maryland and Washington, D.C. area. Some of those references are ads for businesses hoping to capitalize on the group's popularity. Another is for a weekly, pirate-themed radio show that credits the group as inspiring the interest that led to the eventual premise of the program. There were also other reviews from rambles.net, regarding other albums.
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Please follow the link that has been provided to WP:BAND. If you disagree with the notability guideline as currently written, the place to try to get it changed is on the talk page for that guideline at WT:BAND (or at one of the related WikiProject pages listed on that talk page), not in this deletion discussion.
Most of the added refs are trivial mentions that serve no purpose in meeting that guideline, nor in directly supporting text in the article, so should just be removed to eliminate the clutter. However, as I said, the Rambles article appears to provide okay coverage, and now the addition of the GazetteNet article would also be good coverage - so meeting the guideline of "multiple, non-trivial, published works" appears it now may be met.
This AfD should be allowed to run its course; but given those two sources, I believe it has a good chance of being closed as a keep or at least a weak keep. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 16:12, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 00:30, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mookie Barker[edit]

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Non-notable actor. Has only minor roles. Natg 19 (talk) 17:04, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. As a hoax.  Sandstein  21:25, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Namik (dessert)[edit]

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This article was initially tagged by Eldarion for speedy deletion as a hoax, but was declined due to the large number of contributions in the edit history. As stated in User talk:Passengerpigeon#Info, @Eldarion: said that this dessert was a hoax made up by a Turkish internet troll community and propagated across several websites with the intention of getting Android to name their latest operating system after it. Perhaps other editors will now be able to evaluate whether this dessert is real or not. Passengerpigeon (talk) 22:59, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Adding this (dated 25 May): Since 5 days ago there was no sweet thing named NAMIK, but we are Turkish and we produced a new dessert and named it NAMIK. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:09, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. There's unanimous consensus that this isn't appropriate as a stand-alone article, and those proposing a merge elsewhere seem unable to suggest an appropriate location for this content to be moved; since there seems to be broad agreement even among those supporting a merge that this would only warrant a line elsewhere, there seems no need to keep this article in the meantime. If anyone can identify an appropriate target to which this can be merged, I have no problem undeleting this so the history can be merged, but I feel it's unlikely. The only realistic merge target anyone has suggested appears to be Schrödinger's cat in popular culture (merging to the other suggestion, rape culture, would give hugely undue weight to this relatively obscure concept), but the Schrödinger's cat in popular culture article is an appallingly bad article which almost certainly wouldn't survive a deletion discussion itself. ‑ Iridescent 13:02, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Schrödinger's Rapist[edit]

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Frivolous joke of an article with sub-standard sources. Imagine an article called "Schrödinger's Cougar." How long would that have lasted? Anyone? Let's see: "Schrödinger's Cougar is a term meant to describe the experience of being a man in a culture in which rape is common. It posits that all women, to men, are Schrödinger's Cougar, because the man can't know for sure whether a woman may intend to smile at him with the intent to eventually trap him in her hungry vagina, until she does."

This article is shite. May common sense prevail. DracoE 21:59, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aoziwe, I'm not sure how you can make this article about the term "Schrödinger's Rapist" more generalized. Are you suggesting it be merged into Schrödinger's cat in popular culture? AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:05, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose so. Yes. Just as a claytons is what you are having when you are not having it, I can quite easily see myself and others seeing a schrodingers when it could be one thing or the opposite until you test it out. Aoziwe (talk) 13:27, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I agree with this point about it not fitting. The concept of women being scared is briefly addressed at the beginning of the second paragraph of the "Effects" section, although the article seems to limit the fear to previous victims and not women in general. Tacking on a sentence along the lines of "A few bloggers call this fear the 'Schrödinger's Rapist' phenomenon, but the term has not gained widespread use." would look very out of place. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 04:22, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Clear consensus for deletion. North America1000 15:48, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sparkk tv[edit]

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This is some sort of vanity article that should have been wiped out via COI months ago. It has no sources outside itself, and thus no assertion of notability or encyclopedic value. It's probably speediable under A7, but I'm never sure of the vagaries of CSD. MSJapan (talk) 21:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • To serve as references, they need to be reliable sources. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:56, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Except I think the IP has no idea what that means, so let's break it down. Hwdmediashare is a blog. Blogs are not reliable sources. Any site talking about a TV show is not going to be sufficient coverage for the network it's on, so that's basically everything else except for the last two sources. Killthecablebill is nothing but an indiscriminate list of providers, so that's no good, and russellnauman is paid PR, so that's no good. As another aside, I went through the article, and discovered that the refs given as citations don't support what they're tied to, so I stripped them out. MSJapan (talk) 17:48, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. North America1000 15:44, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Schaefer[edit]

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Does not appear to meet GNG: WP:BASIC plus WP:BLP. Lack of reliable sources to confirm notability and bio details. Delta13C (talk) 21:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 13:20, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Wright (physician)[edit]

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Does not meet GNG: severe paucity of reliable sources covering the doctor. Delta13C (talk) 21:44, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 01:34, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of most discussed YouTube videos[edit]

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The article lacks the notability required to create a separate page, unlike List of most liked YouTube videos and List of most disliked YouTube videos Yoshiman6464 (talk) 21:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was deleted by Jimfbleak. (non-admin closure) shoy (reactions) 13:10, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

SAB International[edit]

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Almost enentirely promotional , and no indication of notability. DGG ( talk ) 20:29, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 00:33, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2016 in Lithuanian football[edit]

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Only a navbox Magioladitis (talk) 20:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 20:50, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shaolin-Do[edit]

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Non-notable martial art. The only sources that directly talk about this art are primary - the rest are essentially piggy backing. The art itself is not particularly widespread and (according to forums) is more notorious than notable. Search is difficult since this is not the more famous Shaolin. Peter Rehse (talk) 18:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. WP:SK#1, no attempt to advance a policy-based rationale for deletion. (non-admin closure) Satellizer el Bridget (Talk) 11:27, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

World 1-1[edit]

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How is this level special?? Did its creator want to create individual articles for all 32 levels of Super Mario Bros?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 15:42, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

John Agbo[edit]

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Speedy deletion per WP:G4 was declined. The underlying notability concerns remain the same. He has still not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article still fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:49, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 15:39, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sharinna Allan[edit]

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Notability, no credible sources, don't think it pass WP:NACTOR WP:NMODEL Fitindia (talk) 16:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) SanAnMan (talk) 13:11, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Norton Rose Fulbright[edit]

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. " It was deprodded by User:Necrothesp with the following rationale "that's a pretty big law firm". Being "pretty large" is not a criteria for notability, and I don't see anything like required coverage to help it pass it (a few passing mentions, of course, but no in-depth coverage of the firm significance, etc.). As I discussed in my Signpost Op-Ed, this is a good example of Yellow-Pages like company spam. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:28, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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My apologies and thank you for pointing out the erroneous WSJ link, which I've now fixed.--Arxiloxos (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, well, now it's even more of a slam-dunk keep. Not sure how, with so much coverage readily available online, how we have colleagues here claiming that "no or very little notice from independent sources" applies. Odd. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:21, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete.  Sandstein  21:25, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Civis[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Wikitionary already has an article for wikt:civis, and there's nothing in this article worth moving over there, in my estimation (e.g. the article here contains patent nonsense such as "However, it also implied a Roman Citizen, as contrasted to a military person", suggesting that Roman soldiers were never citizens). The article could be used to discuss Roman citizenship in general, but we already have an article at Roman citizenship for that. I am open to being persuaded that the article should either be redirected there or to wikt:civis instead of deletion, but I don't see any real benefit in doing either. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 15:22, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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In that case, turn it into a disambiguation page with short definition and link to Wiktionary, as well as those potentially ambiguous links. Civis media prize can be included as 'See also'. Cnilep (talk) 03:34, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 00:34, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sebastian Solano[edit]

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This was deleted 2 years ago for failing WP:BIO, but recreated a while back by User:Earflaps, who argued on talk page that this coverage by Forbes makes him notable. Well, this coverage amounts to one paragraph - a glorified caption to a photo. I don't think i changes anything, namely this article was created as part of the CEO-vanity bio promos for people related to Life in Color; they have all been deleted by now. Let's keep a lid on such spam, please. PS. Pinging the sole other contributor to the last AfD, User:Kudpung. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Another case where I started working on pages assuming there would be awesome coverage, and there wasn't. Solano was the sole exception of the Life in Color people, mainly because he was the focus on some of the features. I still think tht counts, though. More recently, I'd argue he's notable because of that major promotion to SFX Entertainment. For folks not in the know, SFX (while undergoing bankrupcy) is still the largest EDM festival company in the world (LiveNation is all genres). And yay! billboard coverage of it! He was also named 30 under 30 in music, a big list by Forbes. To me, these big articles combined with all the other more minor (or less reputable) coverage makes a very strong argument for notability. Also, it's a bit insulting to call other editors' work "vanity pieces," just because the coverge wasn't great. If a page isn't notable, that's it, no need to smear its neutrality. Earflaps (talk) 15:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies, it is just that too many similar articles are created by paid PR SPAs. I didn't realize you were the original author, I thought you just restored and slightly updated an article created by someone else. I missed the billboard article, but it is an interview, and I still cannot decide to what degree they count as in-depth coverage of the subject. Let's see what others aay. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:26, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's alright. As a side note, if the consensus does veer towards delete, as creator I would like to request it instead be redirected to Committee Entertainment#Sebastian Solano, where the bulk of the info is still relevant, and so the research is still accessible. Some of the other SFX references I could also reuse on the SFX page, a topic which could use a head start on cleanup anyways. Earflaps (talk) 21:10, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 00:34, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

RockAlone2k[edit]

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The AfD last year (at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Remigiusz Maciaszek) ended with no consensus since nobody bothered to vote. Let me repeat: The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (biographies) requirement." The refs include the subject's tweeter, youtube, homepage and and an intereview in the minor Polish portal NaTemat.pl. I hope this time someone else with comment... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:45, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 00:35, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Social Policy, University of Salford[edit]

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. " It was deprodded by WP:SPA creator User:Bokjihak. The article still contains no references that show notability of this department. University departments are rarely notable, and this one despite many footnotes contains refs only to its own website, and other refs are just exernal links to faculty publications or off topic sources about teaching and social work in general. Oh, and don't forget pasted-from-homepage sections like "Student Profiles" or "Careers", and language like "Our graduates use their Social Policy degree...". Who wants to bet this was written by the department secretary or temporary student assistant to one? Sigh. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:06, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 00:36, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Andrew Conboy[edit]

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Low-level minor league player who fails to meet both WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG. The only references on the page are WP:ROUTINE contract signing notices and the like. DJSasso (talk) 11:45, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The "comment" at the end is from a blocked sock. MelanieN (talk) 00:38, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ben Rider[edit]

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Promotion for non notable film maker. Part of an attempt to use Wikipedia for him and his films. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seven Devils (film), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Forever Tomorrow and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/To Love Somebody (2014 British film) for his films. Article has lots of sources but none are independent reliable sources that have any depth of coverage about Rider. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:07, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 15:33, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rafomoyo Primary School[edit]

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Primary school with no evidence of any special notability. Whereas Senior schools usually are assumed to have some notability, the same does not apply here.  Velella  Velella Talk   10:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Ready PAC. Merge also, if editors want to.  Sandstein  21:24, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hillary Bus[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NOTNEWS. If need-be should be covered in articles relating to Clinton's presidential campaign. No need for yet another article. PROD tag endorsed by Bearian and Muboshgu and removed by creator AusLondonder (talk) 08:09, 17 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 00:40, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stanley Wirak[edit]

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Mayor of a 74,820 city, too minuscule. Geschichte (talk) 10:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. MelanieN (talk) 00:43, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Prabodhanam[edit]

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Notability - ArtsRescuerTalk me 07:15, 15 May 2016 (UTC) ArtsRescuer (talkcontribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Shafinusri (talkcontribs). [reply]

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The result was delete. Very unconvincing keep arguments J04n(talk page) 00:14, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Afton McKeith[edit]

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ProD was removed thus the next step => Another child actress failing our basic criteria for Notability, barely any real sources and the article looks like a resume as well, no awards nominations and is not really notable in any sense of the word..I get less than 700 hits on Google as well.. Stemoc 11:51, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: She has appeared on a few non-notable programs and has a column for "Notes" that is filled with non-notable information, like where she filmed and what the popularity in a certain country was, etc. DARTHBOTTO talkcont 11:55, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Being a daughter of a celeb does not make one notable, she has not appeared on any notable TV shows. There are basically no real source or news on her from any major or known media sources and also, creating another account to update her wikipedia page will not make her any more notable..The article looks more like a personal resume or an Autobiography than anything else--Stemoc 01:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep I think this article should be kept. I have seen Afton McKeith in various Television programmes, which I know have broadcast worldwide. The notability of these shows are high, having been broadcast on networks like ITV and BBC AMERICA. Also, if you type her name on Google, there are a lot of newspaper articles from notable sources such as 'Daily Mail', 'Evening Standard', and 'TV3 Lithuania'. This article should definitely be kept. RachelSmit talk•cont 08:09, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep - The figure in the article is clearly involved in notable work and is written about in notable newspapers. I also know the TV programmes that the person has been in, and they are very notable shows. I have seen the person in the article in some very good roles, as well as pictured at high profile events. NatIs123 talkcont 15:24, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep When you search 'Afton McKeith' on Google, there are a lot of results, thousands. The credits are international and highly notable. Even the referenced articles come from good sources, as well as from notable sources in different countries. Dontinoi talk•cont 12:49, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I struck out 3 votes from Sm2016 using sock accounts...--Stemoc 12:54, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep This actress is on many notable television shows that are broadcast around the world. I live in the UK and definitely know who she is. I do not see why she should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Londongirl100 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Half of her TV appearances look to be promotions for whatever she was doing at the time. The sources do not pass Wiki-standards. — Wyliepedia 18:49, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MelanieN (talk) 00:53, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kai (Canadian singer)[edit]

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WP:BLP of a musician with no strong claim to passage of WP:NMUSIC, and no reliable source coverage to support it. All of her releases to date have been as the "feat." performer on other artists' singles -- but that's not an NMUSIC pass for an artist who has no releases as the lead performer -- or as the songwriter of songs which other artists recorded as album tracks, but did not release as singles -- which is not a WP:COMPOSER pass. And the sourcing here is entirely to blogs and discographies and chart listings, with no evidence of coverage in real media shown at all. As always, Wikipedia is not a free public relations platform on which any musician is entitled to have an article the moment she's been a guest performer on one other musician's recording -- it's an encyclopedia, on which reliable source coverage that verifies an NMUSIC pass is required for a musician to earn inclusion. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 00:40, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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GNG is met by the quality and volume of referencing present in the article, not by unsourced or poorly sourced claims of notability that aren't supported by proper sourcing. Bearcat (talk) 17:30, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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There are reliable sources in the article? Where? It's all blogs and primary sources, with zero evidence of media coverage about her. Bearcat (talk) 14:07, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation has a biography of her. I'm pretty sure they are generally pretty reliable. Also, the article doesn't need to cite any sources to be kept. The sources just need to exist somewhere in the world. Here's an interview in a reliable publication. Here's a TV show episode exploring her home. I have never heard of this singer in my life, but 30 seconds with Google turns up enough to indicate to me that there's enough out there to support an article. --Jayron32 14:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The CBC is generally pretty reliable, yes — but the "Artists" section of CBC Music falls outside of the "generally", as it's a section of their website where any artist who has chosen to upload music for streaming on the site gets to upload their own self-penned marketing bio to accompany it. So that page doesn't represent coverage being conferred on her by the CBC — it's a part of the CBC's website where she's allowed to redistribute her own self-published EPK content about herself. If she were getting covered in CBC Music's main front-page newsfeed, then that would count toward notability, but her self-penned and self-uploaded bio being present in the "Artists" section of the service does not. Aesthetic Magazine also counts for nothing; it's not a real, established publication, but a WordPress blog. And House & Home isn't helping, either: a musician gets an article when media are covering her in the context of her music, not when media are covering her in the context of her taste in furniture: the owner of a hot dog stand could get a videoclip on that magazine's website if his taste in home decor were interesting to them, so it doesn't bolster notability as such. So no, you haven't shown any sources that help at all. Bearcat (talk) 17:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. with no prejudice for or against a merge discussion on its talkpage. J04n(talk page) 00:08, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Information-theoretic death[edit]

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There are insufficient independent reliable sources with which to construct a Wikipedia article on this topic. It is a FRINGE hypothetical notion held by advocates for cryonics based on unscientific analogies that the brain is like a computer and can be powered up again after it has been powered down. Jytdog (talk) 14:19, 23 May 2016 (UTC) (strike this; it is distracting people from the NOTABILITY argument Jytdog (talk) 20:45, 23 May 2016 (UTC))[reply]

As a coherent scientific notion that stands on its own, this article needs to stay. This term is not limited to cryonics, but applies to other forms of biostasis (of the brain) as well, such as chemical fixation.
The analogy to a computer is scientifically valid enough for the purposes of this term, as it does not depend on whether the information is stored digitally or by some other method, the only assumption is that it is stored physically, and it stands in contrast to widespread fringe ideas of the mind as something nonphysical. Please don't stand in the way of progress by removing this article.
Your language about "powering up" a cryopreserved brain is indeed scientifically laughable, and substantially misrepresents cryonics, perhaps as an attempt at humor. Obviously extremely advanced technology would be needed to infer the original state prior to death/cryopreservation. Having inferred that state, the technology would need to exist to reconstruct it physically or within a computational framework (both of which are plausibly easier than inferring the original state, something that depends on the degree of damage which can be avoided). Strike, since the text it was responding to was struck. Lsparrish (talk) 14:43, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A chemically fixed brain cannot function and is very, very dead. That is just bizarre. But we are not here to discuss how FRINGEY this is; the AfD is about a lack of independent sources with which to build an article. Jytdog (talk) 14:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Please note the topic, "information theoretic death". Not "biological death". Nobody said a chemically fixed brain could function, nor that a brain could simply be "powered on" -- that's your own bias at work. And if you didn't want to discuss how "fringe" it is, you shouldn't have brought it up in this AFD. For crying out loud. Lsparrish (talk) 15:09, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I am not going to argue the FRINGE thing here; I understand the notion is something you hold dear. Jytdog (talk) 15:12, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That, to me, seems to be enough to establish that the term is used in the sense in which it was coined in mainstream journals. I think it satisfies WP:GNG, but the article should probably be given a once over and these sources added, as it currently relies almost entirely upon the individual who coined the term. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 15:00, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:MjolnirPants please note that the nomination discusses a lack of WP:INDY sources that will allow us to create an NPOV article; you are going to find sources from the cryonics crowd; you will not find this discussed outside that circle. Jytdog (talk) 15:13, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The middle link isn't about cryonics (though it does use cryonics as an example in the abstract, along with a Monty Python quote to my delight), but even though the other two do, cryonics is a fringe subject with a lot of people writing about it. I'm pretty sure one can publish on cryonics while remaining independent of one particular big name in the subject. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 15:38, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
look and look. What i mean is that the only people you are going to find using this term are cryonics advocates; it is not part of mainstream discourse and we are not going to be able to create a neutral article. Jytdog (talk) 15:47, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The publications linked there are Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, Critical Care, and Bioethics. Those are WP:independent sources. "Independent" means something like "the New York Academy of Sciences doesn't get any extra money or other tangible benefits from promoting a particular POV about this". It doesn't mean "an author is employed in this field". Unless you seriously think you can demonstrate that NYAS is going to benefit from holding a POV on this subject, then I think we're going to have to agree that this subject is getting attention in independent publications – just like Time Cube got some attention in independent sources (mostly to say what garbage it was). WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I hear that WAID but we also read INDY as I described it - we need sources with a range of views on X, not just one choir singing. A few months ago I went digging and I found just a few sources on this topic (the same ones cited above plus a couple others) and not a single one of them was by a mainstream neurologist. Not a single one. You try - I would love to see you write a neutral article on this topic. Jytdog (talk) 16:11, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I understand what you're saying, but a cryonics article that makes it through peer review and into a mainstream publication is still just that. I don't think the article requires expansion, and I'd be perfectly happy with a redirect to a subsection in Death or something like that (hence the weak keep !vote). I just don't see this as useless information, the way many similar terms can often be. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 16:48, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The definition of neutral is one that accurately reflects the extant sources – not one that reflects POVs that editors wish existed. When there's truly only "one choir singing" on a subject (which is unlikely in this case, as there's quite a lot written on the general subject of cryonics), then a neutral article should give a summary of what that choir is singing. The rules for neutrality are the same regardless of whether that subject is "let's pretend I won't have to die" or "children should be taught how to read" or "addition is commutative". We need to follow the sources that we have. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
User:WhatamIdoing as I noted above I challenge you to write a an article on this that actually complies with WP:NPOV including WP:PSCI. You will not be able to. We do not create articles when we have insufficient independent sources on things that would just replicate a bubble universe. There is nothing encyclopedic about that. This is where judgement comes in. Jytdog (talk) 03:06, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Cryonics is actively marketed as a "medical procedure", so WP:MEDRS applies. Single studies aren't sufficient. I note your non-cryonicist study merely mentions the term quoting a cryonicist (in a non-reviewed paper) - David Gerard (talk) 19:14, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not so sure MEDRS should apply to cryonics, as the potential for harm is negligible ("Oh dear, I broke his arm off!" "Bah, by the time they can fix the massive tissue damage caused by freezing, growing back an arm will be no problem. In fact, I'm just gonna borrow his foot as a paperweight..."). But if it has been decided it does, then I'd have to admit that none of the sources I provided would pass. None of them are even studies, just peer-reviewed discourses; sort of a high-brow 'letter to the editor'. Again, I only offer them as evidence of notability. The fringe-iness of declaring a formal name for something that already has a million names (oblivion, nirvana, brain death, death, the great beyond, pushing daisies, getting gacked/fragged/kakked/geeked, kicking the bucket, and every other euphemism that isn't a direct reference to an afterlife) is pretty strong. If anyone else agrees, I'll happily change my !vote to "make it a subsection or a paragraph in Death." MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 20:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
NB: Lsparrish is a WP:SPA for cyronics topics, per its contribs. I had placed the spa tag here but it was removed by Lparrrish here. hence this larger and more obtrusive note. Jytdog (talk) 20:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted the SPA after reading it. I don't see the point of a large and obtrusive note here. Lsparrish (talk) 20:54, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The tag was for the closer, not for you.Jytdog (talk) 21:07, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't realize that was the intent, and I'm not sure of its importance in any case. I've made non-cryonics-related contributions to other topics like George Dvorsky, but I was actually surprised at the relative lack of non-transhumanism related edits in my history; it isn't intentional, and I have no intent to compromise the neutrality of Wikipedia. I have contributed to other Wikimedia projects under the same username, in case there are any doubts. In any case, I'm removing another attempt to add this tag on me by another user, since the above note from Jytdog makes it redundant. Lsparrish (talk) 00:04, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep. I agree with Lsparrish that this is not a fringe theory. I also agree with Peter that it is a definition of a concept and not transgressing the scope of medical claims. I don't like the ridicule towards the article content that I detect in this AfD. For me it comes down to the sources and Google Scholar confirms my impression of the article sources that we have enough to meet WP:GNG. DeVerm (talk) 19:55, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

It is as I said. The core of the nomination is based on the policy WP:NOTABILITY as all AfD discussions must be. My reason is clear and well defined - there are insufficient independent reliable sources on this topic with to create a neutral article. The FRINGE discussion was the reason why I believe there are insufficient independent sources. That is a distraction from the core reason. This is a mess because cryonics advocates are here making non-policy based arguments to keep; I own responsibilty for some of that due to my giving my reason why I think there are insufficient sources. Jytdog (talk) 17:12, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
bioethics are ethics of biology, not the ethics of science fiction. Yes this bioethicist had drunk the cryonics "a brain =hardware and software" koolaid. Jytdog (talk) 03:00, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Again that is not a serious mainstream science source. It is in the bubble of cryonics people who analogize the brain to hardware and software which is lovely in sci-fi but has almost nothing to do with the RW of neuroscience. Jytdog (talk) 14:33, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This appears to be false. Sebastian Seung is a neuroscientist who studies the connectome and memory. Lsparrish (talk) 16:38, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He is actually a physicist turned neuroscientist who treats the brain like a computer, and mainstream neuroscientists take issue with his approach. See for example Christof Koch's review of his book in Nature. (paywalled) Jytdog (talk) 16:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have access to the paywalled article at the moment, but it seems pretty absurd to say human brains are not "computers" in the sense relevant to this term, i.e. physical processors and stores of information -- unless one were to adopt a blatantly supernaturalist point of view. I would be very surprised if that is a mainstream view in neuroscience, even among critics of Seung's connectomist position. Lsparrish (talk) 19:06, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
sure on a very high level the analogy is somewhat useful. on a high level, as an analogy. the subject of this article takes the analogy as reality and tries to apply it in detail. it science fiction. Jytdog (talk) 19:23, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's not really an analogy. The brain is a Computer. Most physical systems are. It is only loosely analogous to the digital computers we are familiar with. For ITD to be inapplicable you would need to show where the analogy breaks down, but as I've said it is a physical processor of and storage mechanism for information. I do think this is slightly past the realm of neuroscience as commonly understood, and (as the name implies) more in the realm of thermodynamics and computer science. Lsparrish (talk) 20:59, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Facepalm Facepalm Jytdog (talk) 21:08, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In a Wikipedia deletion discussion: if you're at the point of arguing the actual details of a topic from first principles, rather than just bringing the high-quality sources that demonstrate notability, then you're probably conceding - David Gerard (talk) 20:15, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly I'm not conceding; moreover this point had bearing on the reliability of the Seung source, and Jytdog is the one who brought up the issue of whether it follows from first principles. Lsparrish (talk) 21:03, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, you are wrong. I was a computational neuroscientist and at one point worked with Sebastian Seung on modeling oculomotor dynamics of smooth pursuit, a mainstream computational neuroscience topic. I've also worked with Christof Koch on his comp neuro book. Both men are mainstream scientists who are unafraid to engage speculative or philosophical topics in neuroscience; Christof himself is well known for some out-there ideas on consciousness. The Human Connectome Project is sponsored by NIH and is very mainstream. Seung's connectome book is right in there giving an account of topic, including discussion of now mainstream topics like mind upload and, yes, information theoretic death. Ken Miller, another mainstream computational neuroscientist, had an op/ed in the New York Times discussing, from a skeptical POV, mind upload, cryogenics, and reconstruction of a mind from a connectome and associated brain tissue. Like it or not, this topic has entered the mainstream. The connectome book is thus a reliable independent source, and I'd argue, as Miller is an acknowledged expert, the Miller article has bearing on the topic too. I stand by my keep recommendation. --Mark viking (talk) 03:55, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
so glad you are separating actual neuroscience from "speculative or philosophical topics in neuroscience". happy. yes, science fiction is very mainstream. I agree with that. Jytdog (talk) 05:03, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not exactly the same. Currently the lede on Death states that "Death is the termination of all biological functions that sustain an organism." Information-theoretic criteria relates to reversibility of this cessation, making it more specific. Furthermore, the majority of the human population believes in an afterlife, implying a further distinction from information-theoretic death (which is not compatible with an afterlife). Lsparrish (talk) 16:32, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Can you define a difference between being dead and being information-theoretic dead without glossing over the fact that Resuscitation requires continued biological functions or making reference to Billy Crystal's greatest role? Wait, forget the second clause. I'm always open to those sorts of references.
I'll answer for you: No. There's no functional distinction. This term may be more specific, but it's only useful when discussing cryonics. Hence why I referred to it as jargon and suggested mentioning it in the death article. For the vast majority of uses, the two terms are completely synonymous. The notability of the term is thus non-existent. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 17:27, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The distinction you are denying is one that shows up quite vividly as soon as we include the capabilities of advanced future technologies that obey the laws of physics as we know them. It is a futuristic topic, but not one that lacks grounding in material physics, putting it in sharp contrast to non-materialistic handlings of Death. It is also distinct from the pragmatic compromises surrounding Legal and Medical death criteria -- which also don't invoke futuristic technological revival as a possibility. Rather than glossing over the biological requirements of resurrection, it questions them as absolutes that will necessarily hold under all technological conditions. Lsparrish (talk) 00:37, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any evidence of these capabilities? No, and neither does anyone else. They're entirely speculative. In fact, we have very good reasons to believe (not even suspect, but straight up accept and believe) that once necrosis sets in to a given tissue, that tissue is not able to be resuscitated by any means. These reasons run from theoretical to to experimental to oh-come-on-seriously?-common-damn-sensical. So even with your highly speculative appeal to what we might be able to do in the future, you have to ignore the fact that resuscitation requires continued biological functions. So, do you want to try again? MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 13:04, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Continued biological function (goalpost) is not the same thing as avoiding necrosis (different goalpost). Necrosis is the process of cellular degradation. It isn't a sudden event, but a process. Tardigrades, C. elegans, and many other organisms, survive dessication and cryopreservation directly, with no speculative technology involved. Clearly they aren't undergoing necrosis, because biological function isn't strictly a matter of not undergoing necrosis. Cryonics tries to avoid necrosis, as does mainstream Histology and Cryobiology. Even if all you want is to get a good picture of the cells with no intention of returning them to life, necrosis is bad because it causes artifacts. And there are obviously varying degrees to which these artifacts can be avoided.
As to the capabilities of science within the known laws of physics, there is nothing especially speculative about saying some processes can be modeled in reverse with finite/realistic computational power whereas others run into hyperexponential complexity and noise issues. Where reversing the damage of cryonics is concerned, there are definite physical questions which can be researched (and are being, primarily by people within the cryonics niche/"bubble"). One of the primary considerations is how redundantly the data of the brain is stored. If it is highly redundant, particularly if something relatively durable is involved, a computationally feasible extrapolation of a complete (or nearly complete) set of the person's memories becomes more likely. Therefore there is grounds for informed speculation on this topic.
I also doubt that your plausibility argument matters. Even if we knew for a fact that the brain turned to a homogeneous goo at the moment the heart stops (or the brainwave flatlines, or whatever), we should still be able to engage in discussions about counterfactual forms of death where that is not the case. Lsparrish (talk) 19:41, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Necrosis begins to set in once biological functions cease except in purely sterile environments, which only exist in theory. Nice try, though. It's funny: I love the idea of cryonics. I support research into cryonics. But I'm ashamed to admit it, because arguments like yours usually take the forefront in the public eye. You are engaging in twists of logic to avoid conceding a point; shifting goalposts while accusing me of doing exactly that, based on the semantic fact that I didn't mention a key detail (though I know damn well you're aware of it). Also, my "plausibility argument" is that you rely on speculation to make your case, which absolutely matters. In order to make the case that there is a meaningful distinction (which you've gotten way away from, thanks to the mote in my eye you can spot through the log in yours) between death and information-theoretic death, once must speculate about the abilities of medicine in the future. One must speculate that the damage done by necrosis is reversible. Kudos on managing to so smoothly shift from "There's a distinction between X and X'" to "I'm allowed to talk about X'", however. It was skillfully done, even if you didn't gain any traction with me by doing so. Finally, I'm going to quote you to make sure you know exactly what I'm responding to below:
there is nothing especially speculative about saying some processes can be modeled in reverse with finite/realistic computational power No, there isn't. But modeling something and doing it are two completely different things. For example, we can model the Alcubierre metric with tons of precision and confidence. But we can't build a warp drive. In this particular case, there is a real physical principle which says we can't recover a mind from a necrotic brain, and might not even be able to recover a mind from a functioning brain. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 21:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are using what is either wrong or imprecise language to describe this, and I'm having a hard time figuring out where you are really coming from as a result. It probably seems like nitpicking, but the misunderstandings you seem to have are central to the point in question: Is there a plausible situation (such as, but not limited to, cryonics) in the current world where ITD does not apply where more common definitions of death (specifically, legal and medical) do apply? For one thing, necrosis (as well as apoptosis) refers to the process of cellular degradation, not bacterial decay. It does still happen in a sterile environment! What it doesn't happen in (as quickly) is cold environments. See the Arrhenius equation. It also does not happen to fixed tissues, which are also sterile because fixatives halt all biological activity including that of microbes. The idea of chemical fixation as a cryonics substitute was suggested by Drexler in Engines of Creation, and appears to have occurred to Benjamin Franklin at one point as well. Cooling also effectively stops biological activity when you get to cryogenic temperatures, but this effect is reversible (so germs survive, for example, and necrosis resumes), and can cause damage (inevitably causes considerable damage in large scale mammalian tissues). This cryopreservation damage is for the most part not itself "necrosis" as the term normally would be applied, but it does result in necrosis after thawing occurs -- under normal (non-futuristic) circumstances.
You also apparently missed the point that ITD concerns itself directly with the second law of thermodynamics. If you are saying patients who experience clinical death always reach the point where the second law renders the damage computationally irreversible, you are simply saying that ITD always occurs. Which is still a claim about ITD which is usefully distinct from other definitions of death because it's fundamentally stronger and more detailed.
As for the distinction between being able to model it in reverse (to infer original state) and being able instantiate it physically, I think this distinction is thinner than you realize. From my perspective, the bulk of the probability of cryonics not working has to do with inferrability of information, not ability to make use of the information. If a given death were only contingent on inability to manipulate matter on the nanoscale and/or simulate human personalities based on their memories, that would be a major advance over having to speculate about inferrability to begin with (something no cryonicist really wants to have to do), and the case for cryonics would be much stronger as a result. Lsparrish (talk) 19:12, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You're wrong about a lot of things there, and I was going to respond point by point, but I realized that this was either your tactic to begin with, or that we'd both be missing the point if I did. The problem is, it takes a wall of text for you to make a case (a case which has numerous problems, but still) that there is a distinction. If it takes a wall of text to explain the distinction between ITD and death, then it's blatantly obvious to anyone who isn't invested in the keeping of this article that the distinction isn't enough to warrant a new article for it. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 19:43, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The distinction should be fairly obvious from the Merkle quote. ITD is where the information in the brain which defines memories is too thermodynamically scrambled to be accessed by any future technology. Death is nowhere near as specific. Lsparrish (talk) 20:22, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
ITD is where the information in the brain which defines memories is too thermodynamically scrambled to be accessed by any future technology. In other words, ITD is all dead. As opposed to mostly dead. That's fine for cult-favorite romantic-comedy fantasies, but in the real world (which Wikipedia is in) the distinction has no real meaning. Even if it did, it certainly doesn't require more explanation than a single sentence. Maybe a paragraph, if you want to mention cryonics. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 20:38, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(Overdone comedic references aside) I think the distinction between "mostly" and "thermodynamically" is pretty important. Vague "mostly" or "completely" talk isn't helpful for forming an opinion on whether future technology can eventually solve a problem, whereas if I'm pointed to information theory (and thermodynamics, etc.) and do a little research I find out about combinatorial explosions and so on. There is an important concept at play where an initially solvable problem (death?) can become hugely more complex (death!) over a short time, to the point of having no reasonable solution (DEATH!!!), if permitted to do so. You should be able to see the pedagogic value of this even if you are convinced (despite my walls of text) that no real example of a dead person not meeting ITD criteria exists. Lsparrish (talk) 00:42, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
here we go again, arguing minutiae instead of admitting there's no practical difference. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 13:19, 27 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
There is a practical difference. It is useful when talking about cryonics. It is useful for understanding information science. It is useful for lots of things. I don't care if these topics are boring to some people. This isn't fiction, it isn't metaphor, it isn't unimportant, and it isn't stupid. Please stop pretending it is. Lsparrish (talk) 18:07, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure if you insist upon the same disputed claim enough times, you'll convince someone. It won't be me, but I'm sure there's someone out there. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 02:30, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"We will soon need to scrap the brain death standard in favor of a much more tentative, probabilistic, information-theoretic understanding of death as the loss of identity-critical information."

Finally, the topic was extensively reviewed by Princeton neuroscientist Sebastian Seung in his 2012 book Connectome: How the Brain's Wiring Makes Us Who We Are. Since this is closely related to but distinct from integrated information theory, it should have its own page. Keep. RoseL2P (talk) 20:21, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And User:A1candidate is back again - I am making this disclosure for you, since you to continue to fail to disclose this on the User page of your new account. Yes those are from inside the bubble, very much so. Seung's book was already discussed above and I provided the mainstream neuroscience perspective on those chapters. There are no sources - zero - that treat this concept critically in the way that actual scientific subjects are treated. None. Mainstream neuroscientists don't use it Jytdog (talk) 20:24, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, and mainstream reliable sources about the efficacy of most surgical procedures are from "inside the bubble" of surgeons. That doesn't mean that reliable sources aren't talking about the subject. Notability doesn't require that a subject get attention from opponents, and it doesn't require that a subject be treated like real science. It only requires that multiple sources talk about it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:13, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not a valid comparison, and a scary one. Jytdog (talk) 02:58, 25 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  1. That information-theoretic death (ITD) is a weird concept, pseudoscience, plain stupid etc. is irrelevant. If the topic is notable, we should cover it. Both sides: please stopdiscussing cryogenics except when it is directly linked to the subject at hand and necessary to the understanding of a notability argument. See WP:NOTFORUM.
  2. More generally, stay on topic - this is not an RfC about banning all cryogenics or mind uploads from Wikipedia, this is about ITD and ITD alone.
  3. Even if one understands "independent" in the restricted meaning of "does not directly receive money or fame" it works in tandem with "reliable". A Bernie Sanders supporting group will not get direct benefits (except the joy of "winning") if Sanders ends up in the White House, but it is either not independent or not reliable when it comes to reporting on the Democratic primaries, no matter how serious its press releases look like. One cannot argue that researchers supportive of cryogenics are independent because their paycheck does not depend on their views and reliable because they have a lab position; if they have strong personal views about the subject their are either not independent or not reliable.
  4. That the nominator switched deletion rationale through the AfD is inconvenient but it is not relevant to the outcome (and certainly does not warrant a premature close). See Argument from fallacy.
I think WP:MEDRS does not really apply, but of course WP:N does, and the difference is not huge - though one could argue that MEDRS is more restrictive just as WP:BLP because of the potential for harm (even with the "no medical advice" disclaimer). In any case we need independent reliable sources addressing the subject to a reasonable level of detail.
Onto the notability: I could see two claims of notability, one as a minority viewpoint in the scientific community, and one as a notable fringe subject ("fringe" as in "not validated", not as in "utter bollocks").
It seems clear to me that the scientific community at large rejected the idea or even did not care. Moreover, "theoretically retrievable information" is a very dubious concept; I guess the idea behind it is that you could have a soulmeter scan the 10^14 neuronal connections to retrieve the "mind" of the subject (or its memories, or...), but thermodynamics postulates that such a machine will never exist for reasons more fundamental that "it is hard to make" (see Maxwell's demon), and so WP:EXCEPTIONAL applies. If someone does not see how Maxwell's demon is relevant, I can discuss it, but WP:NOTFORUM so I will not type ten paragraphs if it is not absolutely necessary.
As a notable pop science subject, there is Connectome: How the Brain's Wiring Makes Us Who We Are, assuming it does discuss ITD (not merely cryonics attempts to preserve the brain in general); note that it is irrelevant that the author is not-RS, if crowds bought the book and believed it, it is a notable topic just as Creationism is. But as far as sources go, that is about it. For instance, the NYT opinion piece does not discuss ITD, but only "copying the mind"; it does not suggest to use the feasibility of such a process as a criterion for death.
As a consequence, I say to merge and redirect to Ralph Merkle - though I have no strong objection to outright deletion. TigraanClick here to contact me 12:49, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The points of order above are spot-on. There is nothing about the subject specific to humans, in fact the firsts will likely be found in something like PMID 25750233. We already have biomimetic artificial neural networks, it is only a matter of time until they reach the complexity of c. elegans. Even before that, it will be possible to replace the function of a worm's individual neurons in a Ship of Theseus, or kill them off one cell at a time to experimentally determine the threshold for their ITD. LeadSongDog come howl! 21:54, 26 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Definite keep now that it has been WP:HEYed; even perhaps now a SNOW keep ! Aoziwe (talk) 13:21, 10 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The version as it stands now just incorporates the sources discussed above. In my view this should still be merged to Merkle. It remains a FRINGE notion that is not widely used in the ~25 years since it was proposed; I view this standalone article as just advocacy for cryonics. It was a believer who kicked all this off by undoing the redirect that we had previously agreed on and as you acknowledge, Cryobologist you too are one of the faithful. Jytdog (talk) 11:52, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 18:46, 4 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Triangle.gs[edit]

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Obvious advertising. All the sources are not verifiable and seem very opinionated. On top of that, article not suitable for Wikipedia. The huge community of the Minecraft game has much more important topics, and they are not covered here for obvious reasons. Cewlt (talk) 08:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 12:20, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Bartley[edit]

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Article topic lacks significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) Nothing more than passing mentions. czar 09:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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That announcement still gives us no substantial coverage with which to write an article. Her role can be adequately covered in the dub's section of the anime's respective page/section. czar 16:03, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I've struck through my statement about Funimation as you are quite correct. Clearly I made that remark based on her place of birth rather than researching her roles (an easy and honest assumption considering). As for the update It's still only one major role, and it's still a very short list of roles. Is there any information for this other show? It's a bit difficult to consider it if there is nothing being said about it. How significant is it and is there any discussion of her role?SephyTheThird (talk) 17:20, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that there should be no bias against IMdB on Wikipedia. I have never found anything inaccurate. If I thought something is not right with IMdb, I would not use that particular material. Hot Furnace (talk) 14:23, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Except that Wikipedia is an unreliable source. See Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources, which also explains our stance on Amazon and IMDB in articles. czar 16:34, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Her roles in Your Lie and Fate/stay night Unlimited Blade Works are way down there in the Additional voices section. LA Macabre is a web series but lacks notability. It was literally at Kickstarter level and doesn't even have a Wikipedia article. Love Live she has a supporting role. That leaves the very recently announced Charlotte as her sole lead ensemble role. I still stand with WP:TOOSOON; if you want to move the article to draft or userify then you can see whether she will eventually become notable, but not right now. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 13:39, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have no knowledge of this actress, but she seems to qualify as do nearly all actresses. Am unable to evaluate the references. Hot Furnace (talk) 14:39, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 12:17, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Chronic hero syndrome[edit]

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seems to be exactly the same thing as Hero syndrome. DGG ( talk ) 09:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 15:27, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Megumi Tano[edit]

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Non-notable voice actor. About 46 roles in VADB but nothing that really stands out as starring. Chibi Maruko-chan and Inazuma Eleven roles are supporting. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:00, 24 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 12:16, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Russo-Georgian War in Abkhazia[edit]

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WP:POVFORK created by a seemingly well-meaning pro-Georgian user. It seems that the term "Russo-Georgian War in Abkhazia" started to be used in Georgia to refer to War in Abkhazia (1992–93) or the Abkhaz–Georgian conflict in general (although it is far from being a common name for the conflict) and the user wants a separate article presenting the Georgian view of the conflict. There is already a section on Russian intervention in War in Abkhazia (1992–93) and I believe this name should redirect there, or to the Abkhaz–Georgian conflict article for broader scope. No longer a penguin (talk) 07:45, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Second: Georgian officials blamed Russia in conducting war against Georgia in Abkhazia.
Third and most important: The situation is simmilar to War in Tskhinvali region - see article Russo-Georgian War (2008).
In both situation separatists supported by Russia were demanding independence from Georgia. In both situation conflict started between local inhabitants and developed to war between Russia and Georgia. Now we have wikipeia article on Russo-Georgian War in 2008, and it's logical to have similar article describng Russo-Georgian War in 1991-93.
P.S. I think mentioning pro-Georgian is not correct in this case, since the author (me) is Georgian.
Please provide arguments before considering deletion. Otherwise others may call you Pro-Russian in the same way.
We talk about importance of existing of Russo-Georgian War article. Even pro-russian authors agree that war was between Georgia and Russia. In Russian press and social networks such definition is commonly used [32]. see also Russian TV program explaining that Ukrainians were fighting in Abkhazia against Russia, supporting Georgia. [video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgZ9cKe_mOs]
I have found even youtube Channel called Russo-Georgian War in Abkhazia.
Let's discuss definition of Wars.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.169.46.141 (talk) 11:51, 2016 June 3‎--188.169.46.141 (talk) 22:13, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Your response misses the point of the nomination. I am not arguing with you on the role Russia played in the conflict. I am not even arguing that the conflict is sometimes referred to as Russo-Georgian War. However, it is still the exact same conflict (or one aspect of the conflict) as War in Abkhazia (1992–93) and there should only be one article on the conflict. If you want to include information about Russian participation, that is where you should do it. If you think that "War in Abkhazia" is not the WP:COMMONNAME, you should propose a move in the article War in Abkhazia (1992–93). We don't have a separate article for each name any given conflict is referred to. For example American Rebellion does not present American Revolution from the British point of view, instead it redirects to the latter article. Similarly Great Patriotic War redirects to the Eastern Front (World War II), despite being a super popular term in Russia. No longer a penguin (talk) 10:36, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In addition, your reference to the Russo-Georgian War in 2008 just proves the point - there is only one article on the conflict (and it's named using the most common name). There is no Georgian–Ossetian War (2008), despite the fact that Ossetians played a role in it. Instead, the role of the Ossentians is covered in the text of that one article.No longer a penguin (talk) 10:43, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. My intention is not to separate all episodes. And of source not to mess everything.
There are two articles relating to War in Abkhazia. 1- War in Abkhazia and Second - Georgian-Abkhaz Conflict. The second article (title) points to two parties of the conflict, fading the War with Russia.
If we follow your logic, Georgian-Abkhaz conflict must be included in War in Abkhazia, along with Russo-Georgian conflict in Abkhazia. But since these articles are published separately, I proposed dedicated article for Russo-Georgian War in Abkhazia.
My second argument is that in case of War in South Ossetia, we have both articles: Russo-Georgian War and Georgian-Ossetian Conflict. Both relate to one place and one conflict. But they are separated. Why not to use same model with the war in Abkhazia? (Russo-Georgian War in Abkhazia and Georgian-Abkhazian Conflict).
The difference is that Georgia failed to promote this definition in 90s. Maybe lack of Wikipedia played the role:)
And finally, for which reason wiki should avoid naming the fact by it's own name? If that was the war between Russia and Georgia, let's name it so. If that was not a war - close the issue.
Hope my arguments are clear.
Zviad Pochkhua --188.169.46.141 (talk) 21:01, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I got your point relating to Great Patriotic War and Eastern Front. They present different titles and relate to one event. Though the later title was popular in Germany not in Russia, where it was called Вели́кая Оте́чественная война́. (I just sow that there is another article "Great Patriotic War (term)" which is separated and does not redirect to Eastern Front. According to your logic it must be included in Eastern Front article. Otherwise it points to double standards of Wiki editors, especially when it concerns Russia)
But the main difference is that here in case of Abkhazia, existence of articles (Georgian-Abkhaz Conflict and War In Abkhazia) and absence of Russo-Georgian War in Abkhazia defends Russian point of view - that there was only Abkhaz-Georgian ethnic conflict.
As you mentioned, Georgian point of view is that War in Abkhazia was Russo-Georgian, and the rest were sub-conflicts.
If the aim of wiki is to keep everything in one article, than you need to have one WAR in ABKHAZIA with subtitles (Russo-Georgian Conflict in Abkhazia, Georgian-Abkhaz Conflict etc)
Zviad Pochkhua--188.169.46.141 (talk) 21:26, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Except the author did not answer any of the points of the nomination. Is it about the same event as War in Abkhazia (1992–93)? YES. Is it presenting it from a different point of view? YES. Then it's a WP:POVFORK and should be deleted.
The author provided a lot of arguments for (1) what role Russia played in the conflict and (2) why the War in Abkhazia turned out as the WP:COMMONNAME. However, the (1) should be included in the already existing article (and, in fact, is included extensively) and (2) is irrelevant, since Wikipedia policies make no distinction of "why" any given name is the common name, only that it "is" the common name. Finally, the author draws incomplete parallels with the situation in Ossetia: we have two articles, because they are on two different stages of the conflict: Georgian-Ossetian Conflict (which covers everything from 1980s onwards) and Russo-Georgian War (which was the escalation in 2008). The reason why the second stage is called Russo-Georgian War is because it is the WP:COMMONNAME. Similarly for Abkhazia, we have two articles already: Georgian-Ossetian Conflict about the conflict since the 1980s, and the War in Abkhazia (1992-93), which was the escalation in 1992-1993. The difference is that the WP:COMMONNAME for that conflict is NOT "Russo-Georgian War in Abkhazia", so the author created a third article that duplicates the two existing ones, but from a Georgian POV. No longer a penguin (talk) 11:29, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of Australian High Commissioners to Trinidad and Tobago. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 10:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Australian High Commissioners to Barbados[edit]

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fails WP:GNG. all the sources are primary except the Canberra times articles which are routine announcements and barely mention Barbados. in fact 2 of the 4 Canberra times articles do not even mention Barbados. notability is not temporary is irrelevant here as I'd argue there is insignificant coverage to establish notability even when there was a resident ambassador. let's see if the usual suspect turns up with a WP:MUSTBESOURCES, WP:ADHOM or "as per another editor's reasoning" weak arguments. LibStar (talk) 07:31, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The majority of references are primary sources. The Canberra Times are small few lines routine announcements in fact 2 of the cited times articles do not even say anything about Barbados. Please show actual third party coverage discussing the ambassador to Barbados in depth. LibStar (talk) 09:58, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
please read WP:GNG "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable". LibStar (talk) 10:17, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. Speedied by Mike V as a G5. Favonian (talk) 18:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

White supremacist support for Donald Trump[edit]

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Well, this is a tough one to say the least. And I feel like the oncoming discussion is also likely to be a minefield. I understand that the article is neither badly written nor unsourced, and the quality of the specific citations are fine (though a maybe a few may need to be trimmed). However, I don't think that this subject is something that particularly deserves its own independent page per se. All of this information seems best described as a part of the articles that we already have on Donald Trump's 2016 campaign as well as his other things about him such as his positions. It's not just that he's said, done, and advocated things eaten up by the "alt-right" movement, but it's the overall context of who they are as well as how Trump has been blasted for his association with them; the whole picture and not just part of it.

I also hate to make an issue out of this separate matter but I feel like I kind of have to: the title may be problematic. A lot of U.S. religious conservatives say that being "white nationalist", "white separatism", "proud to be white", "alt-right", etc is not the same thing as being "white supremacist" since they claim that being gun-ho about themselves and their own heritage, against mixing it and diluting it, is different than wanting domination and to oppress others. Yes, I know that's guff, total nonsense, but that's what something like a fifth of Americans believe, sadly, and hence why, say, that one ad for Old Navy with an interracial couple got Trump supporters so outraged. They saw it specifically as an attack on them for wanting to be separate, and that perspective should have some kind of representation though only a grain. It's due some weight even if its very little, and so maybe this is better called "White nationalist support for Donald Trump" instead of what it's titled now. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 07:29, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Would it be fair to note here that there, analogously, is a Republican support for Barack Obama article? It seems reasonable to have an article about one of Trump's notable constitutencies, especially one which has garnered such an abundance of notable media coverage. One need only feast one's eyes on the paper each morning to find a new mention of the ever-expanding web of links between Trump and his white nationalist supporters; thus, this article has ample room to grow, an important consideration in my view. As for the naming issue, I have no opinion on whether we should call them "supremacists" or "nationalists." — Preceding unsigned comment added by He Comes In Peace (talkcontribs) 08:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Australian Ambassadors to Zimbabwe. MelanieN (talk) 00:57, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of Australian High Commissioners to Zambia[edit]

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fails WP:GNG. all the sources except 1 are primarily about other ambassador roles. 6 of the 10 sources are titled appointment of ambassador to Zimbabwe. notability is not temporary is irrelevant here as I'd argue there is insignificant coverage to establish notability even when there was a resident ambassador. let's see if the usual suspect turns up with a WP:MUSTBESOURCES, WP:ADHOM or "as per another editor's reasoning" weak arguments. LibStar (talk) 07:14, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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This has now been done.Siegfried Nugent (talk) 06:20, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. I withdraw. (non-admin closure) Yellow Dingo (talk) 21:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

SRK UNIVERSITY BHOPAL[edit]

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I could not find any independent reliable sources that indicate this passes the general notability guideline. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 06:41, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete - Does not satisfy WP:GNG. An inspection report as a source does not prove anything. Clear case of non-notability. Cheers, Nairspecht Converse 12:08, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. —SpacemanSpiff 06:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Samir Kumar[edit]

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Notability, poorly sourced, has been deleted previously [33] Fitindia (talk) 06:30, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - That source above is a good one. Also, there is a text about one of his films winning an award. If a source can support that (I'm sure there will be one), it will be enough to support WP:BIO. However, he does not satisfy WP:FILMMAKER. Cheers, Nairspecht Converse 12:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. I am closing this early per WP:SNOW. Although such early closes should be done cautiously, the emerging consensus is clear and I think it's not optimal for the thousands of people likely to read this article this week to first encounter the AfD notice. Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:00, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

David A. French[edit]

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The subject of this article has not done anything noteworthy to justify a Wikipedia biography. Dethslayer666 (talk) 06:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Page edit summary note from 86.163.94.120: Relevant national figure who has held prominent positions in several organizations - 31 May 2016

One of the references for this page refers to the subject as a "random dude off the street". I don't think that Mr. French's life story needs to be preserved in Wikipedia at this time. Dethslayer666 (talk) 05:40, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The possibility of an independent run for president is pretty noteworthy, if he runs. 99.108.45.119 (talk) 05:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

He's a random dude on the street compared to more "establishment" figures in politics, perhaps. It is easy to argue he is not notable enough to be a Presidential nominee, but it is hard to argue that he is not notable enough to be on Wikipedia. Statesman 88 (talk) 06:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone can potentially run for President. At this point he is a hypothetical candidate for a hypothetical campaign. By this criteria he is no more noteworthy than any other natural born American citizen over the age of 35. Dethslayer666 (talk) 06:13, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since the primary question here is notability, here is a brief summary of Wikipedia's standards of notability for a person/biography: To have their own Wikipedia article, people need to have multiple published secondary sources that are:

As such, I've created a space for a list of sources that meet this standard below. Feel free to use it. Statesman 88 (talk) 06:34, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Published Secondary Sources about David French


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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:46, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jennifer Seman[edit]

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She has one lead ensemble role as Takius in Sands of Destruction and the narrator in Mushishi, but I can't find any other major lead roles to meet WP:ENT. Are those two roles enough to keep her around? Also no sign of anime convention appearances. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 03:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I did find this one article about her as a local musician but it doesn't mention her anime work. [34] AngusWOOF (barksniff) 03:24, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  21:23, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Antisemitism in the 21st century - the Netherlands[edit]

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Per WP:TNT. This article is a complete copy-paste of a chapter in History of the Jews in the Netherlands and there is absolutely no need to include exactly the same text twice in Wikipedia. Why delete and not merge? In order to merge something (name as redirect or some portion of the text) needs to be salvable. As I mentioned, the text is equal to the 1980s onward chapter into the article from where it has been copied. The only thing that is salvable are a few minor improvements made here by fellow editors upon the new scrutiny. I suggest copy paste instead of the original text in the original article so these will not get lost. The title is not salvageable as redirect because there is an error in the title. By WP standards the country name of the relevant country is Netherlands. Therefore the name of the article should have been Antisemitism in the 21st century - Netherlands OR Antisemitism in the 21st century in the Netherlands but NOT as created! Even the pic -copy paste from the article on Rabbi Arie Zeev Raskin- is not of Rabbi Benjamin Jacobs but of Rabbi Binyomin Jacobs, the distinguished Chief Rabbi of IPOR Netherlands and not of the entire Netherlands. In short, there is nothing here except for copy paste work, and a little labor of colleagues, and the article should be entirely deleted even though under sharply different circumstances the topic and execution could have been defendable. gidonb (talk) 02:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed-Dan Eisenberg (talk) 03:21, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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HyperGaruda, thank you for pointing all this out. I had researched the edit history but the nomination was already quite wordy as it was, so kept this out. Now, in WP:NOTNEWS I do not see that we cannot have a timeline of antisemitism in the Netherlands. For example, we do have it for antisemitism in general. Even a timeline for antisemitism in the Netherlands (or in general) in the 21st century could be justified IF the amount of content in a comprehensive timeline article hits major problems of recentism. But here the execution was so problematic that all this becomes irrelevant. It started from the end -as you note- probably to create a content fork. When justified, such articles evolve out of a need. gidonb (talk) 10:10, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In other words, you start with an article History of the Jews in the Netherlands. When the focus becomes too much that of antisemitism, one creates an article Antisemitism in the Netherlands (right now redirected to a section of Antisemitism in Europe). When the specific events overtake the discussion, an article Timeline of antisemitism in the Netherlands becomes justified. And only after that article concentrates unevenly on the 21st century a 21st century timeline of antisemitism in the Netherlands can be justified. gidonb (talk) 17:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete and redirect to List of Fullmetal Alchemist characters#Wrath. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:43, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ed Blaylock[edit]

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He voices King Bradley in FMA/FMA Brotherhood, but when his description in the lead says that only 2 directors have cast him in other stuff, it is unclear whether he is notable enough to meet WP:ENT No anime convention appearances or starring role. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 02:47, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I would be amenable to the redirect, as that is the single character he is identified with in the voice acting world. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 17:04, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Sabellianism. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 01:02, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jesus Christ the Father[edit]

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Article is essentially entirely original research and based off of primary sources (direct references to biblical verses) and unreliable sources. No reliable secondary sources have been cited. Rather than discussing the theological concept, it reads like a Oneness Pentecostal religious tract. FyzixFighter (talk) 01:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Wouldn't it make more sense to put it with Sabellianism, since it's an antitrinitarian concept in line with modalist doctrine? Jujutsuan (talk | contribs) 23:43, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Sabellianism or related concept. CookieMonster755 📞 01:43, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 10:37, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lennart Augustsson[edit]

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Not the subject of significant coverage from reliable, independent sources. (?) It had no meaningful hits in a Google books search. A redirect to LPMud could be useful—he is mentioned there in greater length than in Haskell—but his other works are not independently notable so there isn't an obvious redirect target. czar 00:02, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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