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The result of the debate was - should be merged - SimonP 19:41, Jun 18, 2005 (UTC)

Lourdes Ciccone[edit]

Substub. All that can be said about young Ms. Ciccone is that she sprouted from Madonna's womb, and has barely had a chance to do anything notable. — Gwalla

• Keep. Lourdes Ciccone is already 8 years old. I also think that this article is more important than Madonna on Letterman and Madonna Kiss.Vorash 02:03, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) Merge and redirect - is not good ,because Madonna's article is already overloaded with info. Vorash 11:08, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) If article will be kept, i will expand it. Vorash 15:36, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • So what has this child done in those 8 years to meet the WP:BIO criteria? Uncle G 02:55, 2005 Jun 6 (UTC)
• Redirect: This is an old, old issue. Redirect to the mother, who has enough coverage. Geogre 03:06, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to her mother. (Lourdes, btw, seems to have assumed the surname of her mother's ex-boyfriend (her father), so perhaps we need a redirect to mom from Lourdes Leon - or Lourdes Ritchie if a surname change follows the assumption of fatherly duties by mom's husband.) - Nunh-huh 03:11, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable. RickK 04:15, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to her mother. Lourdes gets enough mention in the press that it is reasonable that a Wikipedia user would enter the name for more info. The Madonna page should be the correct destination.Tobycat 04:39, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, nonnotable, fancruft. --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 06:14, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to mother, only notable due to Madonna's fame. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 06:29, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect any useful info to Madonna. Mgm|^(talk) 10:08, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
• Merge and redirect to Madonna (entertainer). JamesBurns 10:41, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep. I normally don't try to keep relative-of-someone-famous articles, but come on: at age 8 she's already attracted more press attention than probably 99.99% of the folks we have articles on. Virtually everyone in the civilized world has heard of her at least once, and fame like that, regardless of its reason, deserves an article. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 12:02, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
  • Commenting... but a seperate article? A redirect or something could serve fine. As for "Virtually everyone...", that's a very presumptious thing to say. Many of us don't watch those stupid celebrity "news" shows. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 00:40, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to Madonna. I hate not simply deleting this one, but I don't control the celebrity-obsessed media. Unfocused 12:20, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Keep The child gets enough attention, having done anything or not, to be notable. Secondly, the Madonna article is too busy and huge and this is a valid sub-page. SchmuckyTheCat 14:16, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Currently this is a single line article, and has been since creation. A single line won't expand the Madonna article appreciably. When it develops into a full section, the redirect can be expanded, wouldn't you agree? --Unfocused 14:59, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • This is a single line article, only because it's a candidate for "deletion".If it will be kept, i will expand it.Vorash 15:04, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Delete. We are not E! News or Access Hollywood, and media coverage is not the sole barometer of notability. Encyclopedic notability, in my mind, rests on two axioms: achievement and recognition. Henry Procter is an example of someone with noteworthy (though mostly negative) achievement, while someone like Paris Hilton or even Terry Schiavo has recognition without achievement (although not terribly notable of themselves, circumstances or family and circumstances have made them so). This person lacks achievement, and her recognition is solely due to being born the child of Madonna. --Scimitar 15:29, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect. This doesn't need an article. --TenOfAllTrades (talk/contrib) 19:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Rename & Redirect - definitely doesn't merit her own article now, but like it or not the very fact that she's Madonna's kid is notable in itself...however, per Nunh-huh, rename the redirect to Lourdes Leon. StopTheFiling 22:23, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect to her mother's article. --Carnildo 22:57, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Redirect to Madonna. We can give Lourdes her her own page when she does something outrageous enough to match her mama. Denni☯ 03:14, 2005 Jun 7 (UTC)
• Redirect to Madonna. How many celebrity children are there? --Silversmith Hewwo 20:06, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Redirect -- to Madonna. - Longhair | Talk 16:16, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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