The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Not fully convinced by any of the arguments here, but many of the votes favoring deletion are very short and superficial such as "no evidence of notability", or "per nom" where the nomination simply says that the subject has not played any professional matches, and whose biography thus fails WP:GNG and WP:ATHLETE. On the keep side, there have been provided some sources, and evidence that Filip in fact has played in the Romanian league, and I note that the language of the source does not invalidate it as a possible reference (WP:NONENG). Being unable to read Romanian, I am giving ChrisTheDude and the other keepers the benefit of the doubt here that this sourcing is sufficient, and thus closing with a "no consensus" result. Sjakkalle (Check!) 13:21, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lucian Filip[edit]

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Article about a footballer who has never played a fully pro match. He fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG Sir Sputnik (talk) 20:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. Giant Snowman 22:05, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. Jogurney (talk) 13:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ articles should have more than just an infobox. There's no information, no reliable independent sources, ... maybe userfy and try again later.--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:49, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sir Sputnik and Vanruvan deleted information that confirm him played for first team. please ban him. see this:

15:59, 3 May 2010 Sir Sputnik (talk | contribs) (3,129 bytes) (League caps only) (undo). he changed from 1 to 0.

15:28, 10 May 2010 Vanruvan (talk | contribs) (1,418 bytes) (rm dated prod, this is the 2nd prod so not allowed) (undo) he deleted information that confirm that him played in romanian cup for steaua.

see this. match in romanian first divison on round 10 this championship. http://www.romaniansoccer.ro/stiri/14281/etapa-10-poli-iasi--steaua-0-2.htm

and macth in romanian cup this season. http://www.romaniansoccer.ro/stiri/4751/saisprezecimile-de-finala-ale-cupei-romaniei.htm

what want more? 188.25.235.19 (talk) 21:11, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment respectfully, yes we'll need a lot more because what you have provided does not meet the standards of notability for inclusion in Wikipedia. The only source you seem to provide is not an independent source--it's the same organization for which he works/plays for/whatever. Secondly, the source requires translation. This is an English encyclopedia and generally it requires independent, reliable sources in the language of the encyclopedia. Further, I've looked at Sputnik's edits and the major thing he did was restore the header notification for this discussion--it's not supposed to be removed until the discussion is resolved. The other edits appear to be okay to me, not necessarily saying that I would do them that way--but that's the nature of a collaborative encyclopedia. --Paul McDonald (talk) 00:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this confirms he has played in the Romanian league, therefore he passes WP:ATHLETE -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

where do i get information in english if in romania are only in romanian? cnn, eurosport or other known sites don't write about steaua or not romanian championship.

http://www.labtof.ro/liga1/echipa-steauabucuresti-78.html all steaua players who played in this championship.

http://sport.hotnews.ro/stiri-fotbal-6306206-poli-iasi-steaua-0-2-regasit-drumul-catre-victorie.htm

http://www.realitatea.net/liga-i--etapa-a-10-a--poli-iasi---steaua-0-2_643762.html

http://www.mediafax.ro/sport/politehnica-iasi-steaua-scor-0-2-in-liga-i-5009512/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.33.128.101 (talk) 05:10, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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if you want in information in english go to this link. http://www.romaniansoccer.ro/ -> click on Liga 1 -> click on Season 2009-2010 -> click on round 10 -> i down page will found the report in english. 89.33.128.101 (talk) 05:17, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Response

The "information in English" appears to me to be in another language. Is there a Romanian version of Wikipedia?
If the current active Romanian league was notable, there would be independent reliable sources in the news covering the events. Where are they? It has even been stated that the traditional English-speaking news sources do not deem the issue notable enough to cover.
"Romaniansoccer.ro" -- isn't this the same organization? You can't be your own source--the source needs to be independent.
The page link above "confirming" that he had played professionally links to a page that does not mention the subject.

This just seems to me to be even more reason to remove the article from WIkipedia. Again, is there a Romanian version of Wikipedia? It might well be served to go there.--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The page I linked to does mention him - if you scroll down to the Steau Bucharest match, he is clearly shown in their line-up. Therefore he has played in a fully professional league, therefore he passes WP:ATHLETE -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:34, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

....or at least it does now I've fixed the link ;-) -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 14:35, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Changed stance to Keep If Chris is that enthusiastic about the article, and that convinced, then I say we keep it. I guess I'm "caving in" but hey that's part of the process, right?--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:06, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Response

1.the report of match don't have direct link and is in english... i think that you are.... http://www.romaniansoccer.ro/divizia_a/2009_10/round_10.shtml i down page will found the report in english.

2.in romania doesn't exist sites in english, if not exist, what do you want to do? then let's remove all romanian footballers. http://www.romaniansoccer.ro/ the matches and other statistics is in english, only news is in romanian. this is the most important website about football statistics in romania.

3. romanian professional football league doesn't have a site with report of matches, only the results and standings.

4.i don't understand. sorry for my bad english 188.25.211.129 (talk) 15:01, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. SnottyWong talk 19:08, 17 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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