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The result was Delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:35, 7 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MICE industry in Thailand[edit]

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Problem 1:

This article cites a wide variety of sources, but most of them support side points. It appears that only one source is about the MICE industry in Thailand itself. Unfortunately, one source is not enough.

Anyway, I don't think Global Traveler is an acceptable source for proving the notability of a subject. Please use mainstream sources. Condé Nast Traveler would probably qualify.

Please delete per WP:GNG.

Problem 2:

The previous set of articles about the MICE industry in Thailand was created by convicted sockpuppeteer User:Mr RD, who appears to me to be a paid spammer. That set of articles was deleted. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khon Kaen MICE Tourism.

I cannot view deleted pages, but User:Amatulic told me this new article is better-sourced and non-promotional.

I respectfully argue that even this new article is promotional. It appears to me that the article's goal is to promote Thailand as a destination for meetings, conferences, and exhibitions. If you want me to enumerate specific problem points, please email me privately.

Please delete per WP:NOTFORPROMOTION.

And now, a note for the Thailand Convention and Exhibition Bureau.

Dear TCEB:

Hiring Wikipedians to secretly edit for you is a cheap and sleazy thing to do. See also the two short cautionary tales at User:Durova/The dark side. I know that you really would like there to be a Wikipedia article about the MICE industry in Thailand. But not everything you want is possible. Perhaps your time and money would be better spent on other things than Wikipedia.

Cheers, —Unforgettableid (talk) 00:59, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge anything worth merging to Thailand Convention and Exhibition Bureau and delete the title. It's a significant government agency but there's no need to also have an article about their activities. The vast majority of the content relates to the activities of the TCEB and some of it simply repeats information already in that article anyway. We also have Tourism in Thailand into which some of the content might go if giving an account of 0.58% of Thailand's GDP is a worthwhile exercise. Stalwart111 02:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or Merge. The only thing wrong with this article now is too many numbers. It's a neutral treatment of a notable topic. Unforgettableid, you have a bee in your bonnet. andy (talk) 08:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC) - changed to Delete - see below andy (talk) 14:09, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, I don't think that's the only thing wrong with the article. We're talking about a small part of a broader industry that simply doesn't warrant coverage in its own right, especially given it is actually covered elsewhere. We don't, for example, have a specific article covering the Resort industry in Thailand. We do, bizarrely, have Spa in Thailand which I think I will promptly nominate for deletion. We don't need articles for every minor government agency, think-tank and sub-office and then also articles about their work. The other option would be to retain this and merge the TCEB into it. It's likely only a notable organisation within Thailand itself and the agency could be comprehensively covered in an article about the industry and efforts to develop it. Either way, having effectively the same content in two places seems pointless. Stalwart111 10:07, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:45, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:48, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 18:41, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, MICE appears to fail GNG with a very trivial coverage outside press releases and unreliable/primary sources. It could deserve a little mention in Tourism in Thailand or more properly in Thailand Convention and Exhibition Bureau per Stalwart111's suggestion, surely not a separate article. Given the blatant paid editing and the continuous recreations-after-deletions I would not oppose to salt the article. Note aside, it is not clear how the sections about Bangkok and Khon Kaen are specifically related to MICE. Cavarrone 19:14, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I changed my mind on the basis of Stalwart111's comments. This is the remainder of a whole lot of spammy articles and I thought I might have salvaged something, but now I look at it again I don't see it has any merit. andy (talk) 14:09, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.