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The result was delete. Cirt (talk) 02:29, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Marcos Brown-Garcia[edit]

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Subject does not appear notable enough for an article, but since there is at least some claim of notability, I was not comfortable doing a speedy deletion. Aleta ^Sing 21:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Definitly not notable (as written anyway) and certainly does not adhere to NPOV policy.--Woland (talk) 21:26, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Subject seemed destined for notability before his career was sidetracked by injury, but as Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, we cannot include articles on all subjects who might have been... WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete non-notable ukexpat (talk) 21:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• please dont delere I have put in months of research for these players... — Preceding unsigned comment added by FA Players Past and Present (talk • contribs)

• With all that research, do you have some reliable third party sources about Brown-Garcia that can be added to show his WP:notability? If so, by all means, add them! Aleta ^Sing 21:43, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. —Aleta ^Sing 21:46, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I could not find any evidence that he meets the notability criteria using Google or Google News. Reading the article, I can't tell clearly, but he doesn't appear to have played at the highest professional level, nor can I find any reliable sources discussing him. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 21:56, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• keep The article says he played for Scarborough in Division 3 (now League 2, I guess). That's still a fully professional league, so while not the highest level it is fully pro, and at least a similar level to the first division levels in less developed football nations. Provided there's a source for the 3 goals, he should be notable I think. MadScot (talk) 22:00, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment strike that keep vote. Born 1983, ends career at 19, implies 2002. Yet Scarborough were a Conference side in 2002 - last Div 3 season seems to be 98-99. He'd have been 16 then. Seems a bit young, also I can't find any 3-2 wins by Scarborough over Chester City. MadScot (talk) 22:13, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment searching http://www.scarboroughfc.com I can't find any evidence he ever played for them. They have match reports from 2002-03 season - which if he was playing for them when he was 19, he should be in. Anyone scoring a hattrick in the fashion mentioned OUGHT to make a splash in a match report, or at least be listed as a goal scorer. Yet, nothing. Getting a sinking feeling about this... MadScot (talk) 23:59, 29 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Following text was in an edit by User:FA Players Past and present who I believe inadvertently overwrote the AfD. I have taken the liberty of rverting the edits and now insert his text following: MadScot (talk) 08:45, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Garcia scored the hatrick in 1999 and there are no reports from 1999..... My research has been sourced from old newspaper clippings and from ex managers who managed the players I am researching..... I also made phonecalls to clubs..... If you are realistic there is not much research on youth players hence the lack of articles. A player who played 6 years ago will not be written about, you have to be realistic..... That is the reason I am writing about such players, my goal is to highlight players who have slipped through the net in English football. Im sick of reading about the Gerrards, Lampards, Robinhos, the money men. I thought it would be interested to offer a different perspective on foothball and offer articles on players who are actually interesting to read about.....

plus please be aware this was a youth player who never actually took off....how much stuff do you see on the internet about these such players?? nothing, thats why there are no references at present. Youth players do not get written about.....I have some articles mentioning his name. I just want to give the playes who didnt make it for what ever reason some coverage as some of them actually have interesting stories. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FA Players Past and Present (talk • contribs) 08:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Those are laudable goals, can you at least provide some of that info as references. Right now the article doesn't say which seasons he played for a professional team (even Division 3). If you add the info and indicate the sources - and I believe references to print sources are acceptable since they are verifiable if someone goes to the source - then the article starts to look more keepable I think. MadScot (talk) 08:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - yes, print sources are fine. FA Players, please read WP:RS if you haven't. If sources are not added, I can say with a fair degree of confidence that the article will be deleted. If verifiable, reliable sources are added that show his notability, however, then the article almost certainly will stay. Aleta ^Sing 17:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment- I am pasting in the following comment from FA Players, who deleted the rest of the AFD when writing it: "I have deleted part about the goals so is that article now ok as my reference was a evening newspaper?? Also how do I insert and reference and how do I put speaking to a manager as a reference." Aleta ^Sing 18:50, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• FAPlayers, please do not delete others' comments when making your own. take a look at WP:Cite for creating citations. In the mean time, go ahead and add your references at least parenthetically. Worry less about the formatting (Wikifairies/wikignomes will fix formatting issues for you) than just getting the reference information in the article. Feel free to send me a message on my talk page for more help with that. Aleta ^Sing 18:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment FA player, please don't delete the hat-trick info if you have a source for it - even an evening paper is good enough, because if anyone wanted to confirm it officially I'm sure the Football league will have records anyway, and it's a pretty NOTABLE feat on what seems to have been his first game for the club, and possibly first pro appearance (?). Just list what the source was (Scarborough Eveing Post or whatever) and we can sort out the details later. The key is to at least list what the references were that you used; as Aleta says, the finer points can be fixed at leisure, right now the important thing is that you do have references, so list them! MadScot (talk) 19:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I added some more references, I hope this helps....I would like a decision on the article please as I am wanting to write some more. I have researched my others more throughly so have more sources. Garcia was my most interesting subject so went on personal knowledge rather than research. I will continue to add reeferences as I come accross them. Right now though I am involved in my other projects so are my new references enough? —Preceding unsigned comment added by FA Players Past and Present (talk • contribs) 08:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete As not notable. Could have become, but didn't, like many don't. Interesting story, but interesting doesn't make encyclopaedic.--ClubOranje^Talk 00:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment FA Players P&P, I can appreciate the effort and research that has gone into this. However, WP is an encyclopedia, and as such Brown-Garcia does not qualify for inclusion under current criteria. The reason there is not much written about youth and reserve players is that they don't have the same notability that senior professional players have. May I suggest you continue your research on such players and compile and publish. A book on players that didn't quite get there could make interesting reading for some--ClubOranje^Talk 00:16, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its one entry....at least let me have that for my efforts.....Please dont let my effort go to waste..Let me have one thing to show for it.....One entry out of nearly 3 million. What harm is that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FA Players Past and Present (talk • contribs) 08:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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