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The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 18:37, 18 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Mark MacMillan[edit]

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Non-notable college hockey player. Fails WP:GNG - only sources in article are routine, primary or republication of press releases. I'm not seeing substantive coverage from a search of various news sources. Article was clearly re-created exclusively using an awards list. And while creator will likely argue that the NCHC first conference team meets WP:NHOCKEY point 4, that does not remove the burden to demonstrate that the player has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, independent, reliable sources. In fact, going through other recent page creations from the same list, it is becoming clear that simply being on an all-conference team does not result in such coverage. Reso lute 13:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep: WP:NHOCKEY/LA was written specifically for the purpose that editors would have an objective list of what articles are to be presumed notable. Player was named to the NCHC All-Conference First Team and therefore explicitly meets criteria #4 of WP:NHOCKEY. Dolovis (talk) 14:03, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please re-read my nomination statement, where I already anticipated and challenged this argument from you. Please demonstrate the existence of multiple, non-trivial, independent reliable sources such that this article passes WP:GNG. And remember, presumed notable is not guaranteed notable. Reso lute 14:08, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Non-notable amateur player who fails to meet WP:GNG. -DJSasso (talk) 14:15, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. DJSasso (talk) 14:21, 9 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Aside from that at the time Dolovis strongly opposed NHOCKEY/LA [1][2] -- and it's curious that he's defending it now -- that's not pertinent to the discussion: WP:NHOCKEY is. The intent was that "First Team All-Star" would pertain to minor professional and major junior leagues, which use the term as a mark of the highest honors at their positions, and that "All-American" was intended to pertain to American collegiate leagues, that being the level of highest positional honor for NCAA hockey. Even were the subject to have achieved that, he would still need to meet the GNG no matter what elements of NHOCKEY had superficially been met. "Wikipedia's standard for including an article about a given person is not based on whether or not he/she has attained certain achievements, but on whether or not the person has received appropriate coverage in reliable sources, in accordance with the general notability guideline." Ravenswing 02:34, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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