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The result was no consensus. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 18:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Matthew Cassidy[edit]

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He hasn't played professional football. All he's had is a friendly for Bolton, youth games for Ireland and a few games in a semi-pro league Spiderone (talk) 12:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Spiderone (talk) 12:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom; non-notable footballer who fails WP:ATHLETE. GiantSnowman 12:57, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:05, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:05, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - the Cypriot league is a notable professional, top-level European League Eldumpo (talk) 20:33, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete playing in a top-level European league doesn't make a player notable, otherwise players who've played in the Faroe Islands and Liechtenstein etc. Cypriot league is not fully-professional and thus he does not satisfy the criteria for sportspeople at WP:ATHLETE. Lack of verifiable references also fail WP:V and WP:N. --Jimbo^[online] 20:39, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment, V and N issue have now been addressed and sources added to prove notability.--Vintagekits (talk) 08:57, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep additional third-party sources added to article now meet GNG. Nice work. --Jimbo^[online] 11:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Non-notable football player. --Carioca (talk) 22:25, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Plays for Enosis Neon Paralimni FC in the Cypriot First Division, the top tier football league competition in Cyprus. When the league is notable and the clubs are notable, the players are notable too. --Ilion2 (talk) 14:04, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Well, generally there are different criteria for club and league notability. Leagues are usually notable all the way down the pyramid; clubs are notable to a certain point on the pyramid (much lower than players), and players are notable to the point that they are fully professional. This is the consensus reached by years of AfDs. matt91486 (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - has not appeared in a fully professional league. matt91486 (talk) 16:38, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Cypriot league is not fully professional, Bolton players are not automatically notable and he has no other evidence of reaching wp:NPorturology (talk) 23:36, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. top league in Cyprus is more notable than 4th division in England. Add that to his International appearances and that equals notable.--Vintagekits (talk) 21:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The 4th tier of English is fully-professional, the Cypriot first division isn't, seems a bit POVy and irrelevant to this AfD. Youth caps do not confer notaibility. --Jimbo^[online] 06:17, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment, I consider the WP:N outweight WP:ATHLETE - which quite frankly is a stupid guideline. This guy turned down the chance of played for teams in a "professional" league to play for his current team - that just shows what a farce this is.--Vintagekits (talk) 08:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. The only way he can stay is if he passes WP:N since he fails WP:ATHLETE. Spiderone (talk) 08:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment, what would he have to do or pass to pass WP:N?--Vintagekits (talk) 08:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - appears to pass WP:N based on sources currently in article. Status of Cypriot league is therefore irrelevant -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:49, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no evidence Cypriot league is fully professional; sources provided on the article do not confer any notability (FAI.ie is not a third-party independent source, and all the other source only marginally refer to the subject's name, like in game reports, or do not cover the subject with the required amount of detail) --Angelo (talk) 12:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment, would you say that this or even this is just a passing mention?--Vintagekits (talk) 18:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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