The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn after article improvement — Coren ^(talk) 02:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Moustakas[edit]

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Non-notable minor league player who has no other claim to notability. Fails WP:BASEBALL#Players Grsz^talk 16:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 00:32, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - While referenced from a couple sources, the majority of the article deals with his high school baseball career and is sourced by the high school web site. IMHO, fails notability. Hardnfast (talk) 11:14, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Sourcing is currently inadequate, but he was the #2 overall pick in the 2007 draft. There are kajillions of articles out there about him, and to be blunt, "I'm too lazy to fix it" is a lousy reason to advocate deletion. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 14:14, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Also, in what world is the article's statement that he was Baseball America's National Player of the Year not an assertion of notability? Did the nominator even read the whole article? -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 14:22, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - From WP:BIO: Notable are "Competitors who have competed in a fully professional league, or a competition of equivalent standing in a non-league sport such as swimming, golf or tennis. Competitors who have competed at the highest level in amateur sports" From WP:BASEBALL: "Minor league players, managers, coaches, executives, and umpires are not assumed to be inherently notable. To establish that one of these is notable, the article must cite published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject. Fan sites and blogs are generally not regarded as reliable sources, and team sites are generally not regarded as independent of the subject. Although statistics sites may be reliable sources, they are not sufficient by themselves to establish notability." The article cites no independent sources that provide evidence of notablity. Grsz^talk 14:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• The core of WP:BIO: "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material which is reliable, intellectually independent, and independent of the subject." Reliable independent sources: Sports Illustrated, Los Angeles Daily News, Los Angeles Daily News x2, Los Angeles Times, New York Times, etc. His profile in this year's Baseball America Prospect Handbook is also quite good, from a more scouting-oriented perspective. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 14:58, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• All of which I found, I might add, in about three minutes of research on Google. You could easily have done the same, if you were so inclined, but instead you decided to nominate it for deletion. Well done. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 15:00, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

So then source it, instead of acting like a fool. Grsz^talk 15:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I think it would be nice if you did it, as a way of apologizing for wasting everybody's time by nominating an article that's blatantly notable for deletion? You evidently have plenty of time to insult me... why not put it to more productive use? -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 15:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Passes Wikipedia:Notability (people) on the basic criteria by virtue of numerous independent reliable sources, as User:Hit bull, win steak provided, meaning not having played in a fully professional league is irrelevent. Being the second overall pick in the draft isn't inherently notable, but the sources that inevitably come with it are enough to establish notability alongside that fact. AllynJ (talk | contribs) 18:43, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn nomination, providing the sources given are inserted into the prose. Grsz^talk 18:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.