The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was redirect. Okay, "delete" really, but when people say things like "that similar article doesn't count as precedent for keeping, because it was redirected", it's hard to reconcile that with an argument for flat-out deletion. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 12:26, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mikee Lee[edit]

Non-notable contestant of Pinoy Big Brother: Teen Edition. Also, it seems that Wikipedia deletes Big Brother contestants. We made a so-called policy at Talk:Pinoy Big Brother: Teen Edition. Prod contested by an anon. --Howard the Duck 08:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Big Brother#Precedents for similar votes. --Howard the Duck 05:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Prod contested by an anon" is one of those phrases that should never appear in an AfD nomination (others are "vanity" and "-cruft"). It doesn't matter. You make it sound like contesting a PROD is a bad thing. fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 12:28, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, nn. --Terence Ong 09:30, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Only winners deserve their own articles. Unless Mikee becomes famous enough, he won't get any. - 上村七美 | talk 09:51, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, per nom. - Motor (talk) 12:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Retain, his entry is not promotional, it is biographical and since some other housemates from past seasons have their own article, why not Lee. Apparently he was the runner-up Fitz (talk) 04:48, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Only Nene Tamayo and Kim Chiu have their articles because they won (I don't know the notability of Kim Chiu but I'd leave it there as an article). All others do not have their articles but are merely redirected to their respective seasons/editions. The exceptions are those of the celebrity edition, because, well, they're celebrities and notable enough. --Howard the Duck 04:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Ryan Conferido from So You Think You Can Dance has his own article, but he didn't win either. My question is whether this show was as big as that one. --Wzhao553 06:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • If you think the article's deletable, then list it. --Howard the Duck 06:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Do not delete/For retention, i would just like to comment that mikee's entry would be viable for an article itself (stub), as a matter of fact, it just needs an overhaul or for it to be expanded, i think the notability of mikee stands not on whether he was runner up or something but because of the impression of being a housemate. Yes, the celebrities, they're notable, but i think lee is far more noted than the likes of Rudy, Budoy, gretchen or angelina for that matter, except for those who are celebrities already. I think a number of teen housemates deserve an entry and to be noted as STUBS. It's my point of view. Emerald 04:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mikee notability stems from Big Brother, he is not notable anywhere else. So delete or redirect to Pinoy Big Brother: Teen Edition. Rudy Fernandez and Gretchen Malalad are national team athletes, while Budoy perfectly fits WP:MUSIC. --Howard the Duck. (See also: Special:Contributions/Emerald_phi, only one edit, on this page.) --Howard the Duck 05:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above or redirect if not possible. I personally know Mikee Lee; we met at a debate competition (he is an Atenean debater) but conceded that much of his popularity today stems from the current season of PBB and that I don't know him well enough to write a full-fledged article. If it is not possible to keep his article, we can redirect (or something to the extent), but that would mean we would have to do the same thing for all the other PBB Teen Edition housemates except Kim. --Akira123323 ^{Say what? | Track record} 05:20, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • We redirected the names of season 1 housemates at Pinoy Big Brother, Season 1.
• Retain/Keep per above, I believe that the Mikee Lee article should be retained

as could stand as it is. Yes his popularity stems from PBB, yet we could definitely expand the article considering much of the many references available, i for a fact has gathered a number of references and would be very much into updating and expanding his article, i think he deserves an entry much as Jason Gainza (who doesnt have his own entry) who, like Lee, was a runner-up finish, it's a feat almost, yes almost, to the extent of winning and i think it should be given credit, just as other first-runner ups. User:Cane_crew 05:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• • Jason Gainza redirects to Pinoy Big Brother, Season 1, and is not, strictly, an article. (See also: Special:Contributions/Cane_crew, 3 edits, all on this page). Also if your reasoning will be applied, then we should do articles on Kwarta o Kahon contestants. Mikee's notability exclusively comes from Big Brother, and as such, should be deleted (for being not notable) or redirected to the Teen edition article. --Howard the Duck 05:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• • • I guess Kwarta o Kahon contestants seems a far-fetched cry from the notability of the housemates, i mean common, primetime viewing pleasure. And yes Jayson needs his own article, i could see he has come to be famous, or Sam or even Cass and Uma. They could stand their own entry. I would be very much willing to do that myself. I resent the fact that notability becomes such an issue whilst, they all have been quite notable ever since they entered the house, much more the Big Four. Special:Contributions/Cane_crew 05:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • If you'd want Jason to have his own article, then go to Talk:Pinoy Big Brother, Season 1. Instead of being deleted, they're merged there. Because, they are notable only because of Big Brother, ergo, they're merged to the PBB1 article. See for example, Orlaith McAllister, a housemate of Big Brother UK. See her Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Orlaith McAllister, although Orlaith is more notable than Mikee or Jason, her article was merged to the main article. See also: Wikipedia:WikiProject Big Brother#Precedents for similar votes. --Howard the Duck 06:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Retain the Mikee Lee entry - Mikee's entry can stand by itself with regards to notability, inclusive of PBB or not, i think he has become and is starting to break from PBB's shadows. Miggy 06;15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
  • See also: Special:Contributions/Miggy Atenean, 3 edits, 2 on this page. --Howard the Duck 06:58, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Unless we want articles for all game show contestants. (we don't) --cholmes75 (chit chat) 15:00, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete NNNN ~ trialsanderrors 06:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, be standardized, if you want to retain this article, make every contestant of PBB one, from each season. --Glenncando 08:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, per above. to be fair, make articles for every pbb housemates. -- Saluyot 13:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually, contestants of Season 1 had an article, but they were redirected to the main article. The housemates of the Celebrity Edition all (except for Angela) has an article, for the premise that they are notable (Celebrity), while the Teens as of now has no article. Interestingly, other international editions of BB either do not have an article for housemates or is redirected to their respective seasons. --Howard the Duck 13:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Just expand the article. I'm sure he has other special feats that remain undiscovered - he's a scholar. -- User:Matthewprc 19:04, 09 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even if he has other special feats, then he still wouldn't be notable, outside of Big Brother. Also, WP:NOR? --Howard the Duck 17:00, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Tychocat 08:37, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This article needs to be kept. It needs to be expanded for the fact that Wikipedia allow some Big Brother contestants to be featured in their site. He deserves the credit for winning Pinoy Big Brother: Teen Edition.--kevin 09:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the record, he did not win, he was 1st runner up. And Wikipedia has repeatedly deleted Big Brother housemates' articles check out this. He may be notable to some of us but he is notable to other English language speakers? --Howard the Duck 09:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, following the precedent already set by recent article deletions. --Noypi380 05:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.