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The result was delete. No prejudice against re-creation (or against restoring this article) if in the future he passes WP:ATHLETE as seems possible given comments below.--Bigtimepeace | talk | contribs 03:11, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mikhael Jaimez-Ruiz[edit]

Mikhael Jaimez-Ruiz (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)

Footballer fails notability at WP:Bio#Athletes having never played in a fully-pro league. Although his team are promoted to a fully-pro league next season, keeping him on this basis would be crystal-ballery Jimbo^[online] 12:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. —Jimbo^[online] 14:05, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - according to tha article he played for CFR Cluj (who are in the top Romanian division) and in Europe for them, albeit in the Intertoto Cup. GiantSnowman 13:18, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to RSSSF he did not play in the UIC ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 13:19, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Is there any proof of that? --Jimbo^[online] 13:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - This website confirms he played for CFR Cluj, while this BBC article confirms he made one first-team appearance for Barnet. GiantSnowman 14:12, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the BBC link says one appearance, not what competition he played in. If it was one appearance in the Hertfordshire Senior Cup then he'd be nn. --Jimbo^[online] 14:29, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Commnent According to this site, he never played in the league for CFR Cluj: ([1]) Jogurney (talk) 15:43, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above sources which say he has played in a fully-pro league. GiantSnowman 14:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per evidence raised below that player never represented CFR Cluj or Barnet. GiantSnowman 11:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep played in the UIC. ArtVandelay13 (talk) 13:31, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • According to RSSSF he did not ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment Neither Soccerbase nor Allfootballers.com has any record of him having played for Barnet in any senior competition ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply I don' trust Soccerbase for this player, as they have given him two seperate entries: here and here. GiantSnowman 17:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Surely that proves a point of his notability if soccerbase hasn't heard of him --Jimbo^[online] 17:44, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply I would disagreee; Soccerbase can have its faults, e.g. calling Kyle Nix - who clearly passes notability - Karl. GiantSnowman 17:52, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The fact remains that no other database has a record of him playing for the Bees in first-team competition either........ ChrisTheDude (talk) 06:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He had a trial with Tottenham Hotspur link the link also says he played for CFR Cluj. In addition (I think) he is the only Venezuelan in the English leagues, does anyone else think this makes him notable? Cg29692 (talk) 18:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm sure Tottenham have had many players through their doors on trial, certainly doesn't make them notable. As for him being the only Venezuelan in the English football pyramid, why does that make him available and is there any proof? --Jimbo^[online] 18:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Agreed; being Venezuelan and nearly playing for Spurs does not make notability; playing for CFR Cluj and Barnet does. GiantSnowman 22:11, 27 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any evidence that Jaimez-Ruiz ever appeared in a league match for either Cluj or Barnet? (I've yet to see any.) Jogurney (talk) 00:01, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment So just to sum up so far, we've got no hard and fast evidence of matches played in a fully pro league for either Cluj or Barnet (and in fact it seems fairly clear he didn't, certainly in the case of Barnet), therefore the only potential notability claim is a currently unsourced statement that he played in the Intertoto Cup. Have I got all that correct.........? ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:16, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Further comment the Cluj team line-ups from the 2005 Intertoto Cup are here, and there's no sign of our boy...... ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:20, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No confirmation of actual participation in a fully pro league (vaguely worded statements like "he played for CFR Cluj" in news stories don't confirm that he actually made any league appearances, many sources say that Derek Acorah "played for Liverpool" but in fact he never made it beyond the youth teams/reserves), and RSSSF source confirms that he did not in fact play in the Intertoto Cup...... ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Has not played in any fully pro league or competition, evidence summed up below:

• Per Barnet FC, he played in the Herts Senior Cup and was unused sub for some league games.
• Per the article and its Romanian Soccer link, he was on the books of Cluj but didn't play for them in the league.
• Per Chris's RSSSF link, he didn't play for Cluj in the UIC either. Struway2 (talk) 11:11, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per reliable sources (above) which indicate he has never played in a fully professional league. Jogurney (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep is a player in a team recently promoted to the football league. If we delete now we will have to recreate when Aldershot kick off in League 2. Jamesmh2006 (talk) 16:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, we'd need to recreate it once he plays a match next season, as he still won't meet notability requirements till then. And that's assuming the club even keeps him on for next season, which isn't a given. Assuming the article does need to be recreated, it only takes about three mouse clicks from an admin to do so, so it's not a reason in itself to keep the article..... ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:06, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - He played in every single round of the Conference League Cup, including the final where he saved 2 penalties to secure Aldershot's victory, as well as several league matches giving him 11(1) senior appearances. He has just signed an extension to his contract too keep him at the club next season and could well be the number one goalkeeper if Nikki Bull does not sign a new contract. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.158.53 (talk) 20:17, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • If that occurs (which sounds like a reasonably big "if") then the article can be recreated ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:21, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• keep per the non-trivial coverage in the sky sports article. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete even if he played a match for Cluj that hardly enough. - Nabla (talk) 00:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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