The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete and redirect to Sidemen (YouTube group). Vanamonde (Talk) 11:45, 14 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Miniminter[edit]

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WP:BLP of a musician and YouTuber, not properly referenced as having any strong claim to passing our notability criteria for musicians or YouTubers. The strongest notability claim here is of the "got X number of views on YouTube" variety, which is not part of our notability criteria for either musicians or YouTubers at all, and the footnotes are entirely "music sourced to its own existence on Spotify", which is not notability-supporting sourcing. (There were previously additional footnotes here, which were simply copy-pasted from YNW Melly in the headers of the discography table but had nothing whatsoever to do with establishing the notability of Miniminter since they verified YNW Melly's chart placements and not Miniminter's, and thus have been removed.)
As always, people are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because their own self-published web presence technically verifies that they exist -- the notability test requires certain specific quantifiable achievements (notable awards, charting hits, etc.), and it requires a certain specific type, quality and depth of third party coverage in real media to support an article with, but neither of those things are present here at all. Bearcat (talk) 11:46, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 11:46, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 11:46, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, it doesn’t have enough sources, instead of recreating this article, you should improve Draft:Miniminter. Sahaib (talk) 14:54, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Revert back to redirect to Sidemen (YouTube group) and ECP lock page: The person's individual notability had not been established. The notability of his group, on the other hand, has, and this page was previously established to become a redirect to his group after a miscellany for deletion discussion for a draft article for the person. Since this is not the first time that an attempt to make an article for him has happen and I except more fans of the person or his group to continue trying to make an article without proving his individual notability, this page should revert back to its previous redirect version and locked until further notice to prevent more instances like this. Users should instead focus on improving his draft article until it can be determined to be suitable for the mainspace. –WPA (talk) 16:57, 5 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Revert to redirect to Sidemen (YouTube group) per User:WikiPediaAid. This article seems to be sourced only to Spotify. JIP | Talk 01:14, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Draftify and merge with Draft:Miniminter. At a quick glance I found these articles about his career (1, 2, and 3), but aside from maybe the Comic Book source, none of them really prove his notability outside of his affiliation with the Sidemen. However, I won't say that these articles are completely worthless; perhaps if another significant source which goes into the history of his channel were to be found, that source along with these three articles would prove that he passes GNG and would allow the draft to get accepted at AfC. Other than that, I don't think it should be deleted outright, but it's not nearly good enough to stay here at mainspace. PantheonRadiance (talk) 22:40, 6 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and revert back to redirect to Sidemen (YouTube group) Completely unreferenced and unsourced, except for the "discography" section. The draft needs further improvements. It seems to me that he is perhaps not noteworthy enough to have his own page and is only notable because of the Sidemen, so therefore I believe this article should be deleted and be reverted back to the Sidemen article. Edl-irishboy (talk) 01:45, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete for failure to establish any notability. I would advocate salting the page as well, as well opined by WPA. Ifnord (talk) 06:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Restore redirect and then semi-protect it. Based on JBW's comments below, I am inclined to Delete. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 08:43, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I've reverted the inappropriate AfD close. It was inappropriately closed by a participating editor. I've left them a note on talk page. ─ The Aafī on Mobile ^(talk) 09:59, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  I don't understand that what makes a user approve Draft:Miniminter and move it to Miniminter (YouTuber) when the subject is completely being discussed in an AfD. I've also reverted the draft approval and moved it back to draftspace, i.e. Draft:Miniminter. Let this AfD procedurally decide what needs to be done. Thanks. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 10:09, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. In fact I would have speedily deleted it. It has already been discussed and deleted at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Miniminter, and nothing has changed to invalidate the reasons why it was deleted then. It has been re-created and deleted several times, as a draft or as an article. Draftifying the article makes no sense, since it has already been made as a draft several times, and discussed and deleted, and there is no reason to think this time someone will come up with anything better than any of the other times. The editors who are so persistent in trying to get this article established have had more than enough opportunity to show that its subject is notable, and they haven't come anywhere near to doing so. It isn't notable. It is time to stop wasting time on this, and delete it once and for all. As for the suggestion of redirecting, that is no problem: if the article is deleted there is no reason why someone shouldn't create a redirect. JBW (talk) 10:41, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, @JBW: I have copied this from another discussion because I can’t be bothered to explain it again: The Miniminter thing is confusing. So I created the page Zerkaa. I have improved the draft page of Miniminter (I did not create the draft). The thing is that someone created the page Miniminter despite there already being a draft. I participated in the deletion of Miniminter, as every single person voted to redirect, I decided to redirect the page. I regret redirecting the page, I thought since it was uncontroversial that it would be okay if I redirected the page even if I was involved in the discussion. Meanwhile today I spent hours improving the draft Miniminter even more. As I was an afc participant I moved the page to Miniminter (YouTuber), I couldn’t move it to Miniminter (because there was a page there). I was acting in good faith. My goal was to get rid of the poorly referenced Miniminter article and replace it with the much better draft article. I am saddened to hear that the draft article has been deleted when multiple editors have contributed to the draft. I would like to apologise for making this mess. I would also ask for the draft Miniminter to be undeleted because it was promising unlike the Miniminter page.

• Delete - then restore prior redirect and prevent from recreation. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:18, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, then restore prior redirect and salt all aliases Miniminter, Miniminter (YouTuber), Simon Minter. Any proposals to split out or recreate Miniminter should start from the Sidemen talk page and supported by GNG articles that meet WP:BASIC. Note that the old WP:ENT #2 (popularity) is no longer applicable. We at AFC really don't need to see it drafted out anymore. He's either notable on his own or not notable. Right now the GNG articles provided here say no. And no new articles since March 2021 MFD have been presented to show independent notability. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 13:38, 13 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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