The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Ron Ritzman (talk) 22:42, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Supranational[edit]

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Non-notable beauty pageant. Ridernyc (talk) 04:19, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. No sources have been provided other than the pageant's own web site. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:13, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Please read WP:NRVE, where it's stated, ..."The absence of citations in an article (as distinct from the non-existence of sources) does not indicate that the subject is not notable." Northamerica1000^(talk) 03:52, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Maybe no other sources are included in the article right now but a web search does show third party verification and interest, it needs work but could be worth saving. Zarcadia (talk) 16:34, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - A little dubious about its notability, but as Zarcadia pointed out, a web search shows some coverage. Curiously, I want to point out that a book search leads to this, which in its description cites Wikipedia, contrary to critical reception of Wikipedia. Just a curious point I want to make. --Michaelzeng7 (talk - contribs) 18:15, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Some publishers have made a business out of reprinting Wikipedia articles in book form, which is allowed under our license, but isn't a good deal for their customers because they could just look up the same information on Wikipedia itself for no charge. See this search for other examples from the same publisher; see also Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks/Ghi#Icon Group International. Wikipedia does get cited by more respectable publishers, though; see this search for examples. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:27, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:03, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Some sources:

"Belarusian student became the first vice-miss to Miss Supranational". Telegraf.by. September 7, 2009. Retrieved May 5, 2012. ((cite web)): External link in |publisher= (help) (in Russian)
"Thu May dress at the Miss Supranational". Thanh Nien News. August 25, 2011. Retrieved May 5, 2012. (in Vietnamese)
"Vietnamese finishes third at Miss Supranational". Thanh Nien News. September 3, 2011. Retrieved May 5, 2012.

—Northamerica1000^(talk) 06:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The sources cited did not provide critical analysis of the event, and the materials contained in the news reports were extracted from the Miss Supranational website. As per WP:SPIP, even a large number of news reports that provide no critical analysis of the event is not considered significant coverage.--Arielle Leira (talk) 04:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The pageant is not notable yet as per WP:GNG. WP:WHYN states article requires "significant coverage" in reliable sources (that provide critical analysis of the event). Routine news coverage such as press releases, public announcements, sports coverage, and tabloid journalism is not significant coverage.--Arielle Leira (talk) 04:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The sources I have provided aren't coverage of the types stated above. While some of the articles are short, they are third-party sources unaffiliated with Miss Supranational. They certainly aren't "tabloid journalism". Rather, they are human interest and societal articles. Northamerica1000^(talk) 04:06, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:48, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - More sources:

"Thu May comes third at Miss Supranational 2011". Yuoitrenews.vn. August 27, 2011. Retrieved May 15, 2012. ((cite web)): External link in |publisher= (help)
"Vietnam ranked successful at beauty pageants". Yuoitrenews.vn. December 30, 2011. Retrieved May 15, 2012. ((cite web)): External link in |publisher= (help)

—Northamerica1000^(talk) 04:02, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Per the sources I have presented in the above comments, the topic is meeting WP:GNG. Northamerica1000^(talk) 04:03, 16 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - non of the Top4 big pageants but still notable.--BabbaQ (talk) 12:40, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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