The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Closing this early (or at least early for the latest relist) to hopefully put an end to ongoing disruption related to this series of articles. Agreement seems to have been reached that there are already three separate articles – Mohun Bagan A.C. and ATK (football club) for the original clubs and ATK Mohun Bagan FC for the merged club – and that this is a copy/paste duplicate. Number 57 19:30, 4 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mohun Bagan[edit]

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This page is clone page of an already existing protected page with proper templates and information. So it is preferable to delete this page to prevent misguidance.Debankan Mullick (talk) 21:03, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 21:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 21:24, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone 21:25, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Restore redirect to Mohun Bagan A.C.. GiantSnowman 21:28, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Is the ATK-Mohun Bagan merged club technically different than Mohun Bagan A.C., MLS-style? SportingFlyer T·C 21:50, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is an entirely different club legally, yes. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 22:28, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe there should be two articles, then. SportingFlyer T·C 22:30, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I want to reopen that discussion but this has been done many, many times and most times doesn't get many responses beyond GiantSnowman (talk · contribs) and Mohun Bagan fans who don't want a separate page. The conversations eventually result in "no consensus". Reason I have taken a break recently. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 22:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have said multiple times that there should be three separate articles, on the two old clubs and the new merged club. This is standard - see Dagenham F.C. + Redbridge Forest F.C. = Dagenham & Redbridge F.C. as one example. However, this AFD is not the place for such a discussion I don't think. GiantSnowman 09:59, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? We now have three articles, and the FC Cincinnati argument played out over AfD. SportingFlyer T·C 10:33, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: admittedly I am not up to speed on the club(s) involed, but (as far as I can see) we currently have three separate articles, which seems to be what you think we should have, but above you have !voted to turn one into a redirect to another, which would leave us with only two articles. Am I misunderstanding.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 10:47, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@ChrisTheDude and SportingFlyer: because this is somebody overwriting a long established redirect to one of the old articles. The new entity is called ATK Mohun Bagan / ATK Mohun Bagan F.C. and any new article needs to be located there. GiantSnowman 12:26, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That makes sense - I hadn't checked the history of the article under discussion -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:33, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We can just restore the previous versions of ATK Mohun Bagan FC. This article under discussion is inappropriately copy-pasted from the ATK Mohun Bagan FC.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That appears to be the correct answer here. SportingFlyer T·C 07:22, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The merged club is different than the old club, so three articles are warranted in this case, though we may need to move the title once this is finished. SportingFlyer T·C 10:33, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Per above. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 13:27, 19 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect: Its no doubt/confusion that MB = MBAC and not to be confused with ATKMB. Its commonly called mohun bagan instead of mb athletic club. So, revert it to previous revision where it was a redirect. Bringing ATKMB here is totally unnecessary, and it should have a separate discussion.  Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe  06:24, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as an inappropriate copy-paste, Restore ATK Mohun Bagan FC from a redirect to an article, and then Redirect to ATK Mohun Bagan FC. It's admittedly a bit confusing, but this seems to be the correct answer, as this page has been created due to an edit war at that article resulting from a really poor merge discussion back in September. This AfD would overturn that merge discussion, but I strongly believe this is the correct answer, having read the discussions on the Mohun Bagan A.C talk page, and not having any vested interest in the article. SportingFlyer T·C 07:22, 21 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Comment: Keep all the information of the page. But change the title "Mohun Bagan" to "ATK Mohun Bagan" to resolve the ambiguity.

1. To resolve this ambiguity, please take all the information from here and paste that in the page 'ATK Mohun Bagan, which is now a redirected page. And remove the redirected tag from the "ATK Mohun Bagan" Page.

2. Redirect this page to Mohun Bagan AC page. This is because this page titled as "Mohun Bagan", was created in 22 May, 2005, but the new team ATK Mohun Bagan created in 1 June, 2020.(This may create ambiguity in future) Please do the above mentioned procedure as soon as possible to resolve the ambiguity. 171.51.131.53 (talk) 11:40, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi SportingFlyer, this discussion, like always will be floated by fans of a rival club namely Shree Cement East Bengal. Like always, users like Arsenalfan and Saha will come up with excuses of it being a new entity altogether. Despite so many discussions, they seem to never learn and will always be bothered about Mohun Bagan's articles instead of Shree Cement's articles. There is no point of discussing if you have so many biased rival fans here. IAmPushpak (talk) 10:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Procedural note A few minutes ago, an editor moved the page from Mohun Bagan to Draft:ATK Mohun Bagan Football Club. I have asked the editor to undo the move until either this discussion closes or there is a consensus to allow the move in the middle of the discussion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:02, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  As Theshouvik has not done so already, I have reverted the move. There is a copy-and-paste of this at ATK Mohun Bagan Football Club (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) which I will revert back to its most recent redirect version shortly. These reversions are purely procedural, had this AFD not been open, I probably wouldn't have done anything. Editor notified. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 18:38, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as an inappropriate copy-paste and Restore redirect to Mohun Bagan A.C.— Akhiljaxxn (talk) 04:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Neutral notice: Information which may be relevant to this discussion has been added to one or more of the following talk pages since this AFD started: Talk:Mohun Bagan, Talk:ATK Mohun Bagan FC, and Talk:Mohun Bagan A.C.. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 14:45, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Locked redirect with history to ATK Mohun Bagan FC (I'm okay with Mohun Bagan AC as a 2nd choice). THere is some history that could be used to improve ATK Mohun Bagan FC or, should the editors of that page later decide to split off the "historical" team, use for a "new" page about the "old" team. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 15:48, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as an inappropriate copy-paste of Mohun Bagan AC.ThanksWhiteFalcon1 (talk) 14:56, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as an inappropriate copy-paste of Mohun Bagan AC and as we have already reached consensus that it is the continuation of Mohun Bagan club Debarghya89 (talk) 18:01, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• That's not true - it's pretty clear ATK Mohun Bagan is a new entity from the references on the talk page. SportingFlyer T·C 21:09, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete we already have Mohun Bagan A.C. for the club, ATK (football club) for the old ATK club and are likely to end up with ATK Mohun Bagan FC for the new entity for the merged club. Don't require this one as well. NZFC^(talk)(cont) 21:06, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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