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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 12:18, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mustafa Mustafa (footballer)[edit]

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Restored contested PROD taken to AfD for community discussion. Procedural nomination only; I have no opinion on whether it should be kept or deleted. Original PROD tag was because the subject fails WP:NFOOTY by virtue of not having played in a fully-professional league (which for Australia would be the A-League).

The relevant comment from Ayasliyim contesting the PROD on my talk page:

The National Soccer league (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Soccer_League) was Australia's national competition from 1977 to 2004. It was the top flight national league governed and approved by FIFA. In my opinion, any national league that is governed and approved by FIFA (even if semi-professional) should be included in the list of fully professional leagues kept by WikiProject Football. The club that Mustafa played for South Melbourne (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Melbourne_FC) at the time participated in The 1999 Oceania Club Championships (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Oceania_Club_Championship) under the Oceania Football Confederation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceania_Football_Confederation). The winners of the Confederation were entered into the inaugural 2000 FIFA Club World Championship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_Club_World_Cup) which was/is an international FIFA organised competition televised around the world. Any player participating at this tournament with some of the wolrd's biggest clubs should be regarded as notable alone. Also, he has appeared in print media such as Soccer International magazine and the Herald Sun newspaper. Back in the early 2000s most things were in print so I will need to find copies of these if requested.

I don't know enough about football to know if that's enough to swing an NFOOTY pass, so I'm bringing this to the community for consideration. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:20, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per StirringUpTroubleInTheFirstDegree. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 01:53, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment In its heyday, NSL was very popular. It's hard to imagine that there weren't fully professional players, particularly in strongly supported clubs like South Melbourne. However, I have no info on what sort of salaries were available. I'm concerned that including A-League and not its predecessor includes a pinch of WP:RECENTISM. Jack N. Stock (talk) 02:13, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NFOOTY. A couple of things just because it was top national competition recognised by FIFA doesn't mean it meets requirements. That is what WP:GNG is for. Otherwise you could argue New Zealand Football Championship league is notable. Then teams like Auckland City FC players would qualify too because they made OFC Championship games and they are also semi-professional. In the end it's about if the league is professional, not if the players are or even the team they play for is, if the league isn't. NZFC^(talk) 03:22, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- South Melbourne Hellas often had crowds of 20,000 or more. If a player received an offer to play in Europe, they would increase his salary to keep him. It's clear that Ulysses Kokkinos was fully professional (the article states that he was paid more at South Melbourne than at Panathinaikos F.C.). But all this was before Mustafa Mustafa. Jack N. Stock (talk) 04:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - That is fine and see if they meet WP:GNG and with Ulysses Kokkinos they ended up playing for a professional team in a professional league. But at the moment it's playing for a professional team in a professional league. Not just that the player plays at a popular club and gets paid well. Need to argue changing those rules at WP:FOOTBALL. NZFC^(talk) 04:37, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:32, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fail WP:NFOOTBALL. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 07:39, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 08:26, 1 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and maybe SALT. I was sure we have deleted this guy twice before with one under slight different name. Govvy (talk) 19:10, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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