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The result was redirect to Sigma Alpha Epsilon. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 05:07, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Subject is a fraternity founder who died at age 25 in 1859. Subject does not fall under any of the WP:NBIO's "Additional criteria", and is thus governed solely by WP:NBASIC which is functionally equivalent to WP:GNG - which the sourcing isn't even close to reaching. The identified sourcing is limited to passing mentions (refs #1, #3 and #4 as of the time of AfD start) as well as a dead link to the generally unreliable Ancestry.com website (ref #2 as of the time of AfD start). I'm unable to identify further coverage that would contribute towards meeting the GNG. Ljleppan (talk) 05:23, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not opposed to a to redirect to Sigma Alpha Epsilon either. -Ljleppan (talk) 06:13, 5 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 05:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Sigma Alpha Epsilon. I can't find anything more than passing mentions. Sojourner in the earth (talk) 07:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, and continue to improve the article. The Fraternity and Sorority Project is working on many such pages, and is quite thorough in improvements and citations once we attend to each one. An arbitrary AfD prod, here, after the article had been in place for 17 years is unhelpful - though we appreciate the alert that it needs work. We agree. We have the space, and clarifying which Nathan Cockrell was SAE's founder is valuable to those involved in this organization. It is reasonable to allow articles for founders of the 1,500 or so national academic, or honor, or professional fraternities and societies as the development of a national fraternity is in itself noteworthy. While the founders are often deceased, their notability does not decrease over time. For many of these, thousands of collegiate members seek biographical information about the founders, memorize their names, and seek to understand their legacies. As Wikipedia is a work in progress, please let this process continue. Jax MN (talk) 00:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- Redirect to Sigma Alpha Epsilon. There does not appear to be referencing other than passing mentions. Subjects are not notable because they founded a notable organization (or in this case, was one of eight founding members), there must be significant coverage by reliable sources to prove that they themselves meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:11, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.