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The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 23:17, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nischal(actor)[edit]

Non-notable film actor with lots of completely unsupported assertions. Can't find any sources, the name is completely vague and while claims of notability are suggested, a lack of WP:V and WP:RS compliance puts them in doubt, since the few sources cited don't show most of the requirements in WP:ENTERTAINER. Logical Premise^Ergo? 15:24, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This probally should have been speedied... - -The Spooky One (talk to me) 21:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't sure it would be uncontested, as some form of notability is asserted even if it can't be verified. I would rather take it to AfD when I'm uncertain than spam CSD tags. Extra eyes on a topic never hurt. :) -- Logical Premise^Ergo? 21:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep - He did win the State Television Award in India, which I assume is a big thing. So "the person has received a notable award or honor", as required in WP:BIO. He also receives quite a write-up here[1], so WP:BIO's "A person is presumed to be notable if he or she has been the subject of published secondary source material" is met as well. There is some notability here. Sources are poor though. I've been looking for better ones but haven't found any. ~~SIS~~ 02:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Exceedingly weak keep. The article - really an interview - to which SS (love your sig BTW) refers gives some pretty good information, but is of limited use as an independent source to establish notability. The subject's comments about currently working for JP Morgan and hoping for a balance of 50% film career and 50% conventional career really don't sound like the stuff of which notability is made. Still, he has a substantial list of film/television appearances, some of which sound as if they may have been in notable films. I tagged the article for WP India's film work group in the hope that someone there will know more. If kept it probably should be renamed to add a space after the name. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 14:35, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Minor comment but I do need to make it: - It's SIS, not SS. ~~SIS~~ 21:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I looked at the Kerala State TV award listing from the government site here [2]. Not only do they not have a "Child Actor" category in 1992 (it wasn't a category until much later, 2005) there is no Nischal, or with anyone with the last name of Mohan either. There is a child artist category but neither of the 1992 entries match his name, both are different actors. Additionally, I can't find anything in Google India [3] for Chapalyam or Chapalyam TV series, nor can I find anything where *any* award was awarded to that "show" by the Kerala State TV awards. I also tried some searches for the series on Indian search engines [4] , [5], with no results for Nischal or the series. I'm very confused by that interview in ScreenIndia, but unfortunately I cannot consider that source relaible when I can't verify this person appearing in ANY movie. I'd be very appreciative if someone could verify this, but I certainly can't and everything I'm finding makes it look like a hoax. I'm very uncertain on how we can source any of the claims in the article. -- Logical Premise^Ergo? 15:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Additional Comment -- the link to Cinechance does not appear very encouraging, since that's mainly a site to get noticed by aspiring actors. -- Logical Premise^Ergo? 15:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That's always a problem I've encountered in trying to make sense of Bollywood films. While not encouraging, I don't think that the lack of mention of the subject or award on the government website necessarily makes it a hoax - I do see that there's this link seems to indicate both that one of the claimed movies (By the People)exists, and that someone named Nischal was in it. I also can verify the existence of the 4 the People, and that the same director made both movies. Still, this does tend to confirm the enormous difficulty in making any concrete statements at all. I'm still waiting to see if a subject-matter expert can help, but my already weak support is hanging by a thread. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 20:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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I'm not so much worried about the lack of sources as that the site where we can verify he won that award does NOT support the claim at all. -- Logical Premise^Ergo? 20:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems there are a number of state endorsed TV awards that can be awarded to TV actors. There are 'Indian Telly Awards', 'Indian State TV Awards', and 'Padma Awards' (which come in 3 variations for seperate civilian disciplines). It doesn't make finding our friend any easier. Apart from the one mention in the ScreenIndia article I haven't found any other confirmation, and my weak support isn't feeling much better yet. I don't believe the article is a hoax, though. ~~SIS~~ 21:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

*grimly* The award mentioned in the article is specifically the Kerala, in the little "awards" box. And I think also in the interview. -- Logical Premise^Ergo? 23:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No need to be grim. When I said "It doesn't make finding our friend any easier" I was referring to my frustrating searches for clear info. I wasn't suggesting you were wrong. ~~SIS~~ 00:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And it only gets worse. He's mentioned as an actor in By the people here[6] and here[7], but this article in the Hindu[8] is about the same film and doesn't mention him at all. Are there aliases at play, perhaps? ~~SIS~~ 21:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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