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The result was delete and redirect to Jeb_Bush#Personal_life. – Juliancolton | ^Talk 04:29, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Noelle Bush[edit]

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Procedural nomination for another user per discussion on my talk page (diff). I am presently neutral. While the previous AfD discussion in December 2007 closed as "delete and redirect", it was only redirected, and it has been quite a bit of time, so it's likely best to have a new discussion at this time. The nomination rationale is below. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:16, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This particular child has no notability outside of her inherited notability through her father. Even though she has garnered some press, that press is all due to her relationship with her father. Notability is not inherited. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 13:28, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Thanks Northamerica1000 for fixing the problem with my attempt to nominate this for AfD. About the article. I attempted to simply create a redirect out of the article, which was a simple statement about her drug problems (which are not notable but for her relationship to her father) but was reverted by the IP creator of the article with the following edit summary: "Information is relevant given that she is the daughter of a prominent politician - Jeb Bush's son has his own wikipedia entry as well". Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:40, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and salt to Jeb Bush#Personal life Subject's notability is linked to her father and drug issues (especially from 2002) are of no interest except to create an unwarranted attack tone on the subject. Nate • (chatter) 17:01, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• I disagree. Edited well, her story resonates because of the dichotomy between rich and poor. Yes, her issues were a "double standard", but if the article is written properly it could be very encyclopedic. 74.80.56.23 (talk) 23:46, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Sorry, we're an encyclopedia with a striving to be neutral; if you want to examine dichotomies, perhaps you should check into another form of research or some kind of social or medical journal. Nate • (chatter) 04:13, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep- Not merely because she is Jeb's daughter. That in itself is unremarkable, but because her name became synonymous with the double standard of drug addiction. Jeb Bush increased mandatory minimum sentences for drug addiction, but when his own daughter was arrested, he squashed it as a "private family matter". No politics, and I'm not attacking her, but she is a POWERFUL statement that drug addiction is not just for the poor, indigent and minority communities. It's partly because of her that we give the "affluent" more attention on drug abuse than they would like. So I'm saying keep because written the RIGHT way, her article could be a profound piece on drug addiction and redemption, rather than being a mere footnote of Jeb's life. 74.80.56.23 (talk) 23:42, 6 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect and salt to Jeb Bush#Personal life Noelle Bush is only notable in so far as she relates to more prominent Bushes. This can be seen from the complete lack of secondary sources that discuss Noelle independently of Jeb or George W. Wikipedia is not the place for stories that resonate, or material that expounds on the dichotomy between rich and poor, or for profound pieces on drug addiction or redemption. It is for encyclopedic articles on noteworthy subjects. This article reeks of "See! Jeb's daughter is a drug addict!" Let's get rid of it. Acone (talk) 07:08, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Why not create a Bush family page. There she can be stored, along with other less notable Bushes but still allow basic encyclopedic information for someone who has no idea who she is. I strongly oppose redirecting to Jeb because too many times, a person whose notability is established by another and whose article gets reduced to a redirect, ends up with no information at all about that subject. Case in point, Charlie Dick died. I had no idea who he as, but he redirects to Patsy Cline. But with no information about him, I had to go OUTSIDE Wikipedia to determine he was a musician. I get that hard drive space is at a premium, but some people really have NO idea who the subject is 74.80.56.23 (talk) 18:55, 11 November 2015 (UTC) 68.228.3.36 (talk) 06:02, 12 November 2015 (UTC) Keep. We cannot pick and choose when the rules apply. The article needs expansion, but regardless of WHY she is well-known, she is. We cannot cherry-pick notability.[reply]

• Redirect and salt to Jeb Bush#Personal life for others. I'm sure it can be "improved", but it will likely just be a fancier version of its current state. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 23:07, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.