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The result was delete. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:41, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Novan Setyo Sasongko[edit]

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contested PROD, failed WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. He played in Indonesia premier league, which is not fully professional league. No reliable source or evidence that he play in fully professional league *Annas* (talk) 08:50, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - has played in the fully-professional Indonesian Premier League, as confirmed by sources already on the article and others such as this. Meets WP:NFOOTBALL; needs improving to meet WP:GNG but not deleting. Giant Snowman 10:32, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just FYI, Indonesian Premier League is not in the list of fully professional league, according to WP:FPL. but Indonesia Super League is in the list of FPL.*Annas* (talk) 13:14, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The ISL is not officially sanctioned, the IPL is "Indonesia's official football championship", per this. Giant Snowman 13:21, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Do we have any evidence that the IPL is fully professional? Many leagues are their country's official football championship, but that doesn't make them fully pro. That Jakarta Globe piece you link to is interesting: it implies that the IPL publishes little information of its own and has little media coverage. The IPL may be Indonesia’s official football championship, but tracking down information about the league remains difficult. Not all the teams have Web sites; for some reason clubs don’t see the need for them, preferring to communicate through Facebook if they bother doing so at all. The IPL’s official Web site doesn’t even list each team’s playing squad, and with local media rarely featuring lineups it is hard to know who plays for which team.
Even if the IPL is fully pro, which the nominator says it isn't, are we sure that playing in a league with such minimal media coverage should confer presumed notability? Struway2 (talk) 16:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A fair point. I'll have another look for more info/sources tonight and may reconsider my opiion. Giant Snowman 16:51, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - after further investigation, I'm not happy that this player is notable. Giant Snowman 19:44, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Mattythewhite (talk) 00:17, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'll go with him! Take it away! 22dragon22burn (talk) 13:51, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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