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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) Lourdes 02:26, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oliver Spiteri[edit]

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Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was No evidence of notability, fails WP:GNG. This remains valid. He has still not managed a football club in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails both relevant notability guidelines. Sir Sputnik (talk) 04:58, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 08:15, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. However WP:GNG in terms of covarage is almost at reach. Seeing as he is noted in Malta Newspaper for example. --Avaay (talk) 14:17, 3 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Fails NFOOTY, but passes wider GNG. Significant, non-routine coverage can be found in the following sources amongst others:

Independent - noted above, lengthy interview in national newspaper
Times of Malta - article on him leaving club
Maltese FA - interview with manager
tvm.com - Maltese language article on individual

Would assume that there is more in Maltese language sources. Fenix down (talk) 12:40, 6 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Keep He may pass WP:NFOOTY as he managed a team in a competitive senior international match at confederation level regardless of whether or not the teams are members of FIFA as he was the manager of a club which appeared in the Europa League (three times). SportingFlyer talk 05:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Point 1 of WP:NFOOTY is about national teams, not club teams. The phrase international match context means a match between two national teams. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:27, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I figured it was probably in there for Guadeloupe and Martinique and the like but it's not immediately clear from the context. In any case, he may actually pass WP:GNG based on the review of the articles provided by Fenix down: WP:NFOOTY presumes notability due to the high amount of coverage one gets from playing in a fully professional league or an international competition, but Spiteri has done well managing in a semi-professional league and it appears the amount of WP:N is there. Also some routine Bosnian sources from the Europa league game against Željezničar, but ones that are all about him/his interviews: [1] [2] SportingFlyer talk 02:05, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the GNG is irrelevant as he fails NFOOTY, which we treat as de facto exclusionary if the only claim to notability is sports, as any coverage one would receive in the papers would be routine for sports figures, and thus wouldn't go towards the GNG. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:09, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's not actually the case, as WP:NFOOTY creates a presumption the sportsperson passes WP:GNG. There's no presumption here, so the proper question is if the person passes WP:GNG in non-routine sources. SportingFlyer talk 01:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:26, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: A 30 second google news search found multiple sources that qualify him for general notability. The article needs massive improvement but the sources to prove notability exist. If possible it should be referred to a suitable project such as one based for Maltese subjects, football subjects or a combination. Qualification for WP:FOOTY is just a consensus guideline adding players to Wikipedia if they don't have general notability.Macktheknifeau (talk) 15:45, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Coach Oliver Spiteri managed Malta International Team Under 17 from 2007 till 2009 as per attached links

http://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2007-03-31/others/footballmalta-u-17-international-tournament-171373/ https://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20060705/sport/spiteri-to-coach-malta-u-17.48605 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malacin (talk • contribs) 08:21, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete - Article about football manager who hasn't managed a club in a fully-pro league, but appears to be the subject of at least one in-depth article in a reliable source (The Independent article noted by Avaay above) and two routine (has was hired.../he was fired...) articles in The Times of Malta. Almost all of the other coverage are routine match reports (and the interview with the Maltese FA is effectively a primary source since his employer is a member of the organization). I don't think this article can quite satisfy the GNG, and if others think it can, I recommend they incorporate these sources and re-work it completely. Jogurney (talk) 20:10, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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