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The result was Delete - Concerns were not addressed that this is effectivley a foreign dicdef. Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 17:00, 10 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Otenba[edit]

Wikipedia is not a Japanese-English dictionary. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination Wikipedia is not a dictionary. AlbinoFerret (talk) 01:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete. I don't think that wikipedia should take the career of Oxford Dictionary. תחי מדינת ישראל (talk) 01:11, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:ATD. Comments to date suggest an analysis of existing content without consideration of whether the article has potential to be stubbed for further development. Questions of identity in Japanese culture, in particular gender identity, have received significant academic coverage in the West. The term is covered in more detail than just a DICDEF in several sources, such as [1], [2]; also JSTOR: [3], [4] - login required. Aside from issues of Japanese identity, the concept is also notable as an archetype in manga and also as a term that has entered Japanese from the Dutch language (orig. ontembaar). I'll have a go at improving the article at some stage, but probably won't get a chance today. Debate 木 02:52, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your improvements have merit but the article is still about a word rather than a topic. It therefore belongs in Wiktionary which is the place for words, their usage and etymology. See WP:DICDEF#The differences between encyclopedia and dictionary articles. Colonel Warden (talk) 11:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Even after my recent reworking, I agree that the article remains borderline. I note, however, that a shortish summary of anything is going to look a little like a definition. In my view there are at least two topics that article can significantly expand on at this point: "the tomboy in Japanese culture" and "Otenba as a Manga archetype", both of which would fit comfortably under the existing title. Debate 木 12:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. —Fg2 (talk) 10:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This article was nominated for deletion in March ~~under the previous title~~ together with "List of tomboys in fiction." See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of tomboys in fiction. Fg2 (talk) 10:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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