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The result was delete. Just let me know when he qualifies under WP:ATHLETE or the WP:GNG and I'll be happy to restore. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 14:35, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Ada[edit]

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Contested PROD, reason given was "Removed deletion box- player signed for Crewe Alexandra yesterday, will be key part of the squad" - which has a hint of crystal ballery to it. Footballer who has never played in a fully-professional league/competition, therefore failing WP:ATHLETE. I'm pretty sure this article has been through AfD before, but could not find it. --Jimbo^[online] 13:58, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note have listed for speedy deletion under Wikipedia:CSD#G4. --Jimbo^[online] 14:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It was deleted as one of a mass nomination at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Benson in January 2007. Struway2 (talk) 14:12, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete I don't see substantial coverage so the biography doesn't appear to meet notability guidelines. ChildofMidnight (talk) 14:14, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - it should have been left dead after the mass AfD. Doesn't meet notability as of WP:ATHLETE and doesn't even really meet WP:V since it's stating events in the future as factual. -- Logical Premise ^Ergo? 14:33, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 16:03, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - currently non-notable & fails WP:ATHLETE. Recreate when/if he plays for Crewe Alex. GiantSnowman 16:04, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• So you just want me to put it back up in 2 month's time, when he's played in a game, even though he was playing in a league that is one below the Football League? It's just because the manager Guðjón Þórðarson has stated in interviews that he will play, being as so far Crewe Alexandra only have 1 centre back? Rup235 Rup 18:02, 22 May 2009 (BST)

Yes. That sounds like an excellent idea. Would you like it moved to your userspace in the meantime so we can close this AfD? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Or you can just notify an admin to reinstate it (when he makes his debut in a fully-professional league or cup). --Jimbo^[online] 17:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, to be honest, I've saved the entire article on my computer, so I can just reload exactly the same content in 2 months time... thankyou for your help, I'm trying to know what I'm doing... Rup235 Rup 18:26, 22 May 2009 (BST)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. -- J^mundo 21:38, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep I can't see the point of deleting then recreating it, he's in a pro league team and it is just a case of waiting for him to play he doesn't even have to be "key part of the squad". He meets WP:FOOTYN if we are allowed to take that into consideration.--Holkingers (talk) 23:46, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Now plays for a professional team who are undergoing a major re-vamp of the squad. He is one of only two center backs at Crewe.  glennb28  t/c  15:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No coverage to pass WP:GNG, so we go to WP:ATHLETE. This requires the player to have played in a fully-professional league, and he has not played in such a league. Crewe's league season doesn't start again until August, and it'd be crystal balling to predict what's going to happen between now and then. It only takes a minute to recreate if and when he does play. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:29, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, but somebody keep a copy somewhere because this player will probably play at some point next season. For now though, this fails WP:ATHLETE. John Sloan @ 20:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You can just notify an admin, who can reinstate the article. --Jimbo^[online] 22:53, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Seems a bit WP:POINTY to delete. He's received some national news coverage related to his recent signing. He has played professional football for a fully professional team, in a national-level league, which very much almost meets WP:ATHLETE, but not quite, because a handful of teams in that leage aren't fully professional. He has since been signed by a team that does meet that criteria, and at the age of 24, it's fully expected he would be playing in a few weeks. It's a waste of everyone's time running around deleting articles that will in all likelyhood be recreated in a few weeks. I'd simply note such pages, and if come September it's clear that they won't be playing professional football, then delete them then. Nfitz (talk) 04:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete and recreate if he ever makes an appearance in a fully-pro league; claiing that "it's fully expected he would be playing" is of course a WP:CRYSTAL issue. пﮟოьεԻ 57 19:25, 24 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • No it's not. It's been pointed out before that you don't seem to understand that. By your standard, we should remove articles relating to the 2014 World Cup - as who knows what will happen between now and then. Nfitz (talk) 02:11, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not so. WP:CRYSTAL states explicitly that "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. If preparation for the event is not already in progress, speculation about it must be well documented. Examples of appropriate topics include the 2010 U.S. Senate elections and 2016 Summer Olympics. ... Avoid predicted sports team line-ups, which are inherently unverifiable and speculative." Mr Ada's notability depends on his playing for Crewe, which is clearly "unverifiable and speculative": Crewe's next competitive game is not until August. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • That he would still be playing for Crewe in a few weeks is speculative ... but the Orion 19 moon landing in 2020 is acceptable? Nfitz (talk) 03:02, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I'd be tempted to say that particular one was a bit too speculative for its own article, as yet, but it comes under WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS anyway :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yeah, I was tempted to PROD it, and a few others. My point however wasn't to invoke it as the reason Patrick Ada should be here, but as an example of something completely over the top that WP:CRYSTAL is meant to deal with; a near inevitable event a few weeks away is not what WP:CRYSTAL is; there's no reason this article can't stay around, and if something really unexpected happens in the next few weeks, then it can be deleted. It's not like we're expecting him to play in 2020, 2015, or even 2010 ... but in just a few weeks; I see little point at removing content that will most likely be back shortly, when we can wait a few weeks, and make a more informed decision. Nfitz (talk) 12:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • I get your point, and if Crewe were playing this weekend, I'd probably agree we should leave it and see if he played. But if he didn't, should we leave it until the week after, and the week after, and the week after that... I hope nothing happens to prevent the man having a long and happy career in a fully-pro league with Crewe or elsewhere, but until he starts having it, as it says at WP:N#Notability is not temporary: "Notability is not predictable: although a topic that does not meet this guideline at one point in time may do so as time passes, articles should not be written based on speculation that the topic may receive substantial coverage in the future." cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:32, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete While I accept it is quite likely he will play next season for Crewe and hence qualify under WP:ATHLETE, it is currently WP:CRYSTAL. Just because Crewe have only two CBs now, doesn't mean they'll start the season with only two. Recreate if and when. --ClubOranje^T 08:57, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. You lot are funny. The point of Wikipedia is to provide information for people. What's wrong with keeping it so that Crewe Alex fans who are looking for information on a new signing can look at it, for the sake of two months? The annoying thing is in this case is he has played 90-odd games in a team who got promoted to the Football League... Rup235 (talk) 11:14, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you refering to Histon as the club who he played "90-odd games with" that got promoted? Because they didn't. --Jimbo^[online] 11:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I apologise for getting mixed up between Histon and Barnet. But you still see my point? Rup235 (talk) 13:06, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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