The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. --james^(talk) 13:48, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Flanagan[edit]

As article and discussion suggest themselves, there's a lot of unverified information here. Disregarding the unverified information, notability would be highly suspect. Delete. --Nlu (talk) 11:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - unless someone can allay my suspicions that this is an attack page. Even then. I have this feeling that something's very, very weird about this. BigHaz 12:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This wasn't created to be an attack page. The last "non-attack" version was [1] before the "degre mill" part was added [2]. Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 12:19, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep based on later discussion. Apparently the thing that was very, very weird was the subject of the article himself. BigHaz 08:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. A little background history is in order here. The article was created as a mostly unreferenced stub by User:JimmyT. I spotted it while doing RC patrol and tidied it up, adding references and further material. In the process, I found that Flanagan (who I'd not heard of before) appears to be a figure of some note in the alternative medicine / New Age fields, but has also aroused controversy for his claims. Lexis-Nexis returns several dozen results for him, mostly critiques / takedowns of his claims. Google Books also shows that he is discussed in several New Ages / altie books (Phenomenal World, Joan D'Arc; Iporanga, Kevin Apostobranco; Interactive Technology and the New Paradigm for Healthcare, M. Richard et al; Before I Go, Jim Walker; Surfing The Tao: A Revolution of Free Will, Angela V. Michaels; Holy Order of Water (P): Healing Earth's Waters and Ourselves, William E. Marks; How We Heal: Nutritional, Emotional, and Psychospiritual Fundamentals, Douglas W. Morrison; and others). While the article undoubtedly needs more work, the subject does nonetheless clearly meet the criterion set out in WP:BIO of having "made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in their specific field." -- ChrisO 12:26, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What about the claims on Talk:Patrick Flanagan that None of the external links mention the doctorates and neither does the Guardian article about him from 2005, and The Daily Mirror article refers to him as "the late Dr. Flanagan"? Awyong Jeffrey Mordecai Salleh 12:57, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure why the external links don't mention the doctorates, unless Flanagan's personal website ([3]) has been removed from the list. I'll restore this. The Daily Mirror is definitely wrong; he's still alive ([4]). AxelBoldt seems to have misread what the Guardian reference in para 2 relates to: not his claimed doctorates, but his claim to have been "plagued by a recurring dream". -- ChrisO 13:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've modified these references now, hopefully the article should be clearer. -- ChrisO 10:58, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Seems like a notable enough shyster to me. Let's try placing the article inside a pyramid overnight, maybe it will improve! --Brianyoumans 08:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with ChrisO. This man deserves a place in wikipedia. Sure there will be those who believe he is a charlatan. However mere belief is not proof. There have been many others who were once considered fraudsters who are now considered worthy of an honored place in history. One more thing, I would like to see some more history of his early childhood family and schooling. Any one knows anything ? 125.237.230.111 (talk) 06:31, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP ~ all information is useful to some degree ... its up to the reader to ferret out what is worthy and and what is not.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.