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The result was no consensus. I'm afraid this is another "It's notable per WP:NCRIC" "No it isn't" debates. Until we can revise the guidelines, this situation will remain. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:54, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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Reads like a CV, being used for self promotion and is almost completely unsourced. Cricket career is not notable. BobKhannaDentistOfTheYear (talk) 12:43, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. This is a terrible article and is everything a WP:BLP shouldn't be: no inline citations, full of puffery, CV-like, making no attempt to present a balanced view of the subject. There are some external links but all these are primary sources except the cricket statistics one (which is hidden behind a paywall). If ever there was a case of WP:TNT, I think this is it. The subject might, possibly, be notable (though my searches for independent coverage just found a sea of self-promotion). However this article in its present form is irredeemable and should go. Neiltonks (talk) 13:38, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 13:40, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Cricket-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 13:41, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 13:42, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comments in theory I'd generally propose a merge to List of Cheshire County Cricket Club List A players, but a) no article exists and b) this is an odd article and he might be notable under whatever the academic notability criteria are. In theory his two List A cricket matches make him notable under NCRIC - and there's certainly a very strong argument that we know a lot more about him than we do someone such as Michael Balac (a recent AfD keep) and that he's a lot more notable than Balac. Personally I disagree with the interpretation of NCRIC as it tends to be applied, but there you go: from that perspective I would argue that his 50-odd minor counties appearances for Cheshire and 35 or so second XI appearances are much more likely to show notability than his two List A ones, but I'm sure that others will argue differently.
- Clearly the article needs to be gutted and totally re-written if it were to be kept and I can appreciate that there is a major self-promotion issue in the sources that do exist. I'd appreciate input from someone with more experience in the academic notability field as I think that's actually where the question of his notability is likely to rest. Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:44, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete-this is a promotional CV, and the reliable secondary sources that would demonstrate notability aren't there. Technically meeting the very low bar of WP:NCRIC is immaterial, what's necessary is meeting WP:GNG, and that's where this puff piece fails. Reyk YO! 20:39, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Passes WP:CRIN. I've kept the information on his cricket, which is notable as he has played matches at List A level in the English domestic one-day cup (the highest level of one-day cricket in England), and removed the rest which was self-promotion. StickyWicket (talk) 11:08, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep There is a pretty strong argument that Tipton would be notable for his work within dentistry, irrespective of his former life as a cricketer. Brought together, he clearly meets the requirements of WP:GNG in my opinion. Harrias talk 09:48, 8 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I don't know anything about cricket so I don't know if he's "played at the highest international or domestic level" as required by WP:NCRIC. However, there's nothing that shows he meets any other notability standard. The Denistry.co.uk articles certainly don't meet the GNG. In one his name appears on a list and the other (on the training certification) has all the appearance of being a submitted promotional puff piece. Phrases like "in addition to the valuable skills" and the article being almost entirely quotes from Tipton employees and Tipton himself do not make this look like there's serious editorial review and independent overview.Sandals1 (talk) 15:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 01:44, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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