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The result was delete. Wikipedia:WikiProject Beauty Pageants/Notability (beauty pageant participants) is marked historical and at any rate not a guideline, therefore does not represent community consensus. Sandstein 17:09, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paulette Samayoa[edit]

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We have consistently held that winning a national beauty contest is not in and of itself a sign of notability. We need significant sourcing. The sourcing here is a non-relable webpage and the web site of the competition she won, this is not the level of sourcing to show a passing of GNG John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:09, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Guatemala-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - tried to find sources myself; Guatemalan sources are available but do not appear sufficient for WP:GNG. See these [1] [2] [3]; nothing about her achievements or to suggest that she is a notable person. All trivial coverage about some Instagram photos. Spiderone 21:46, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment John Pack Lambert pageant winner criteria says "Winners of the national-level pageants which select participants for the Big Four pageants are likewise generally presumed to be notable. Certain independent national-level or supra-national pageants such as Miss America and Miss Europe, by virtue of long establishment and widespread coverage, are also presumed to indicate notability in winners." — Ad Meliora ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • This was debated long and hard and there was very strong opposition to adopting this criteria. There was no widespread support for it, and if it is now the understood standard it is against the clear consensus on Wikipedia that we need to follow sourcing and should not decalre pageant winners default notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:55, 21 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • That pageant criterion is poorly written, there’s no inherent notability. Wording should follow NBIO which says People are likely to be notable if they meet any of the following standards. Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included; conversely, meeting one or more does not guarantee that a subject should be included. The key is the does not guarantee bit. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:33, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom and adjust wording of local N guideline to conform with community-wide NBIO. Recent Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roxanne Allison Baeyens demonstrates there is no consensus for automatic notability for pageant winners. ☆ Bri (talk) 14:36, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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