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The result was redirect to Regional League Division 2. MBisanz ^talk 23:40, 7 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Phetchabun F.C.[edit]

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PROD removed but rationale still stands. Concern was "No indication this football club has taken part in a professional competition or otherwise meets WP:GNG." Cloudz 679 15:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Cloudz 679 15:40, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - there are a lot of teams on Wikipedia that, to my knowledge, have never played in a fully professional league. As to WP:GNG, well, I'm not Thai, so I have no idea whether it meets the guideline or not. Lukeno94 (talk) 19:49, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - With reference to the Club Notability Test user essay WP:NTEST we get this result:

Q1. Has the club played in a national cup (listed in the Blue Column)? NO

Q2. Has the club played in a notable league (listed in the Yellow Column)? NO

Q3. Has the club played in a league at the next highest level (listed in the Grey Column)? YES - Thai Third Tier (Thai Division 2 League Northern Region) - 2009, 2010, 2011 and 2012

Q4. Is there substantial identifiable media coverage (excluding match reports) about the club in reliable independent sources? NO - 3,400 results and 7,330 results

Q5. Has the club played in the past in a competition of comparable status to one listed in the Blue or Yellow Columns? YES - Thai League Cup - 2010, 2011 and 2012. In the 2011 competition the club lost 2-1 at home to TTM Phichit F.C., a Thai Premier League side. This clearly impacts on the assessment of notability.

On balance the above match is critical and I leave it to the authors of the article to supply further information. League Octopus (League Octopus 19:52, 22 November 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Redirect to Regional League Division 2 - a team doesn't have to play in a professional league to be notable, but this article fails GNG. I say redirect to the league it plays in as a probable search term. Giant Snowman 08:59, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regional League Division 2 appears to have been "re-branded" as Thai Division 2. It is clear that the Phetchabun article in its current state fails WP:GNG as do thousands of others in Wikipedia football. In this instance it would be helpful to advise on the core issue of whether a recent appearance in a national cup against a club playing at the national level (first tier) of the league structure confers notability? League Octopus (League Octopus 11:15, 23 November 2012 (UTC))[reply]

Keep for now: Club has played at a national cup (based on research by Octopus) but if the club continues to not pass GNG then it should be deleted. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 14:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment notability is WP:NOTTEMPORARY. Cloudz 679 09:16, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This article has yet to be well developed and falls squarely into WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM and WP:BEFORE. If a subject notionally meets WP:GNG but is not verified in the article, it may well be that the person who created the article has not lived up to their end of WP:BURDEN and we should either encourage them to do so or help by contributing to the article to make it better. See both WP:UGLY and WP:NOEFFORT. League Octopus (League Octopus 12:14, 24 November 2012 (UTC))[reply]
~~Keep~~ - A club doesn't have to have play in a fully pro league to be notable, but this club has played at the second highest tier in Thailand which should be enough. Unless any of you speak Thai, I doubt that you can verify that this topic fails WP:GNG, and deleting an article because the quality is low is not right. Mentoz86 (talk) 18:43, 24 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - the claimed division according to the article is a third-tier, regional amateur league. The fact you have trouble understanding this is exactly why I believe this type of article should not exist as a stand-alone page on Wikipedia. More importantly, as mentioned by League Octopus above, this article fails WP:GNG, as do thousands of others in Wikipedia football. WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is not a valid reason to keep an article. Cloudz 679 08:55, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm vastly concerned that the home page of the club, given in the article, is actually a forum. Lukeno94 (talk) 14:06, 25 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 03:52, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 20:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 20:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I wanted to keep this article because I had the impression that the club had played at the second tier. This was incorrect, so I see no reason to keep this article anymore, and I'm leaning towards delete. Mentoz86 (talk) 08:06, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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