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The result was delete. Another porn AfD which hinges on an award, but in this case I see good reasons in this AfD that the award is not independently notable. "person won an award that is notable no matter what" is not correct. Being Penthouse Pet is not enough in itself Drmies (talk) 18:06, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Phoenix Marie[edit]

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    Fails WP:PORNBIO as here single award win ,the Juliland Award is is not well known or significant. In addition,her numerous nominations do not indicate notability.Nothing to suggest she passes WP:GNG. Finnegas (talk) 11:51, 6 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
    Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 12:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
    Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 00:28, 22 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is absurd to argue that all award winners are inherently notable. PORNBIO requires that the award be well known and significant which is a higher standard than notable. WP:PORNBIO excludes nominations from consideration in notability discussions. Being Penthouse Pet of the Month does not in any way make the model notable. Finnegas (talk) 17:08, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • Exactly. Juliland is a porn producer, this performer works for Juliland, and their award is no more noteworthy than being the Employee of the Month at Wal-Mart, and no more a sign of notability than Burger King naming their "Satisfries" to be the "Year's Best New Snack" or whatever. A recent RFC produced an "overwhelming consensus" that porn industry nominations are not counted toward notability, and being a Penthouse Pet was similarly removed from PORNBIO years ago. This is just another porn BLP without any reliable sourcing, contrived entirely from PR material and the occasional pop culture namedrop. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 18:16, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    • This porn star (and I do mean porn STAR; she has certainly earned that status) has 23 AVN, XBIZ, and FAME award nominations, half of which are not scene-related or ensemble categories. Do you honestly not realize how ridiculous it is to question the notability of a porn star with 11 performer nominations? Especially when two of those nominations are for Female Performer of the Year. And we never discussed the FPOTY awards and nominations in the PORNBIO discussion like you claimed above, so there is no consensus to reject them. I'm just bringing up the fact that at least one award nomination should be considered evidence of notability when it is the top prize in that entire industry. I do understand the deletion of porn articles that barely passed the previous PORNBIO guideline getting deleted now, but Phoenix Marie passed the previous PORNBIO guideline with flying colors. Another evidence of her notability: She has 48 titles so far for 2014 on IAFD. Do you know how many AVN FPOTY 2014 Bonnie Rotten has? 47. In case you're wondering, I did exclude compilations for both of them. And no, that is not the average number of titles a porn performer stars in every year (or 9 months, since were in September); 99% of performers currently working in the porn industry are actually struggling to get work. The NOTABLE ones, like Marie and Rotten, are the only ones getting booked for 45-50 shoots in 9 months. And isn't the purpose of an encyclopedia to inform readers? Provide them with information they would otherwise seek for in unreliable sources, such as Wikiporno and Boobpedia? Wouldn't you agree that deleting an article that is read nearly 1000 times a day ([4]) prevents us from improving or maintaining Wikipedia? And she does pass PORNBIO criteria #3. Both songs in which she appeared in music videos for are notable. "We Still in This Bitch" passes WP:NSONG and "Take It to the Hub" doesn't have an article on it yet, but it does pass GNG. Google it and you'll see how much coverage it has. Rebecca1990 (talk) 08:20, 26 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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