The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep and cleanup. - Mailer Diablo 17:50, 2 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Principle of Swiss Cheese Management[edit]

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I'm not even really sure what this is, but it seems to be an OR essay. User:Zoe|(talk) 08:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. MER-C 08:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - per nom and 0 ghits. This is a case where WP:OR requires deletion. Wikipedia is not an academic journal where you come to publish your ideas. Part Deux 09:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Responded below. Part Deux 19:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, WP:OR, unencyclopedic material. Terence Ong 10:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Per UncleG's excellent comments below and complete rewrite of the article. CiaranG 15:36, 28 January 2007 (UTC) Delete I hope it's a joke. It's surely original research. (Is this AfD listed properly by the way, it doesn't look right to me) CiaranG 13:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, along with The Principle of Swiss Cheese Management. While the first-person storytelling narrative has been removed from this version, it is still a personal essay, promoting a particular viewpoint that is not notable in itself as an encyclopedia subject. If "Swiss Cheese Management" were being referred to as a term, it would be a protologism, but it isn't. None of the statements seem directly attributable to reliable sources, failing verifiability, and more specifically original research content policies. Dancter 14:25, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• This is an excellent case of where counting Google hits is not research. Research turns up the Swiss Cheese model of accidents, and the concomitant notion of having multiple defences against error, where errors occur when all of the holes in the various slices of cheese align, being discussed on pages 16 and 17 of ISBN 0826133460. (There's a diagram on page 17.) This in turn cites a paper by James T. Reason entitled Human Error published in 1990 by Cambridge University Press. Reason's "Swiss Cheese" model is also discussed on page 1065 of ISBN 9058095517, where it is described as "widely accepted in the health sector[s]" of the U.K., the U.S., and Australia. Page 16 of ISBN 075461591X also points to another paper by Reason discussing this Swiss Cheese model: Managing the risks of organizational accidents (Aldershot: Ashgate, 1997). You can read about one application of Reason's Swiss Cheese model (in the aviation industry) on pages xv to xvii of ISBN 0071373624. (There's another diagram on page xvii.) You can read about its application to the firefighting emergency services (which discusses preventing firefighting errors by "inserting additional layers of cheese into the system") on page 20 of ISBN 1593700067. (This has yet another diagram.) You can also read about it on pages 11, 12, 353, and 354 of ISBN 0754646416. (The diagram is on page 12 in this book.)

  This idea is not original research. It is simply the case that this article is unreferenced, badly written, and incorrectly titled. Feel free to take the sources cited above, and the many more sources than a simple search for the common name of the concept (the "Swiss Cheese model") will turn up, and cleanup the article. Uncle G 14:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • That raises some new questions. Could the text of The Principle of Swiss Cheese Management be lifted from somewhere? That would probably qualify it for deletion for a different reason. Dancter 19:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think that would qualify it for a rewrite rather than a delete, but since it's now redundant I took the bold step of redirecting it to UncleG's rewritten article that we're discussing here. (The two different articles make this discussion rather confusing anyway) CiaranG 19:43, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Uncle G and CiaranG. Dancter 19:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and cleanup per Uncle G. Thanks to his good research, we now have a solution. See a gsearch for "Swiss Cheese Model". Therefore, I heavilly suggest renaming the article as well to Swiss Cheese Model when this is all said and done. Part Deux 19:40, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's already a redirect at Swiss Cheese model waiting to be renamed over. Uncle G 22:59, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, fine article after excellent complete rewrite. Sandstein 23:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, (I think it's an obvious keep now, but this is my first vote on a deletion, and the article happens to be about something I've actually read about before. Kudos to Uncle G.) ---Sluzzelin 02:17, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.