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The result was close, pending separate relistings Waggers (talk) 14:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Asante[edit]

Players do not sufficiently satisfy WP:ATHLETE in that they have not played for a fully professional league, noting that soccer is a professional sport. In addition, players do not sufficiently satisfy the notability criteria as outlined by WP:FOOTY in that they do not play for a professional team, have played in a competitive fixture, or have senior international caps/Olympics caps. GauchoDude (talk) 21:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because of the reasons provided above:

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GauchoDude (talk) 21:26, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all as they all fail WP:ATHLETE because the USL Premier Development League or the MLS Reserve League are not fully professional leagues. To pre-empt claims that it counts as "playing at the highest level in amateur sports", it doesn't because football is not an amateur sport. Also, consensus is that youth caps or reserve appearances do not confer notability. пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 21:40, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per WP:ATHLETE - as Number 57 notes above, reserve matches do not confer notability. --Angelo (talk) 21:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. Out of interest for our American friends, minor league (which I suppose is the equivalent of these MLS development leagues) baseball players are only notable if they are named to an all-star team or win a notable award. None of these players have done something like that. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 21:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all for failure of WP:Athlete and not other claims of notability. Vickser (talk) 04:37, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Close AFD and relist - One of these previously survived an AFD. Another has been named as a substitute in first team matches as recently as Tuesday. This AFD doesn't meet the guidlines for bundling in WP:AFD ("If any of the articles you are considering for bundling could stand on its own merits, then it should be nominated separately."). Nfitz (talk) 05:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Can any of them stand on their own merits? They all fail WP:ATHLETE and consensus is that youth caps are do not confer notability (the one AfD you refer to was before the youth caps issue was resolved). пﮟოьεԻ 5 7 07:18, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and Relist - actually, four of the six of them have been in previous AFDs (one, even started by the nominator of these articles): Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Hughes (soccer) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roger Espinoza are the previous discussion. As for the youth caps issue, where has it been decided that national youth teams are not notable? Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football/Notability#Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Notability has some discussion, but, it is seems evenly split to me, and that discussion is definitely not strong enough to build an AFD case on for the players above which have played internationally for their country. While WP:ATHLETE is often cited as an exclusive reason for deletion, reading the section heading at Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Additional criteria is instructional. quote Failure to meet these criteria is not conclusive proof that a subject should not be included. Waving around WP:ATHLETE criteria as if notability established in normal ways (non-trivial coverage in multiple reputable sources) can be ignored is simply bad for the project. Neier (talk) 11:51, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- See the concurrent discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rhys Williams (footballer) (2nd nomination) for more evidence of the youth caps issue. пﮟოьεԻ 57 12:29, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, I see many of the same comments and commenters there; but, so far as I know, the status on the project's notability page regarding under-23 and other national youth teams is not decided despite claims above. Neier (talk) 13:11, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all as as they have not competed in a fully-pro league/competiton yet thus failing WP:ATHLETE. Youth caps do not confer notability either. --Jimbo^[online] 17:11, 2 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom and per Jimbo. Youth football is emphatically not the highest level of international football, that is the senior team. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom. Giant Snowman 16:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Three of these players can be found on the current MLS roster. Some of those have been named as substitutes in recent games. Nfitz (talk) 07:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The fact that they have been named as subs is irrelevant to the guideline - they haven't actually played. пﮟოьεԻ 57 09:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - It goes to their notability. It also supports that they should be considered for deletion separately rather than bundled. Nfitz (talk) 16:45, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Close and relist separately, or procedural keep all. Bundling these might make sense normally, but given that several have already survived AfD's, it is far better to discuss each article on individual merits. Reso lute 15:46, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Close and relist separately - It's just too hard to go through this when articles have survived on their own, especially when the nominator doesn't link to past discussions as is generally expected. matt91486 (talk) 22:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per Jimbo et al., except Justin Hughes (soccer), who appears to be professional per this. Bearian (talk) 20:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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