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The result was delete as he fails WP:ATHLETE. пﮟოьεԻ 57 13:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Smallwood (footballer)[edit]

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Youth footballer who hasn't yet appeared in a league game for his senior team. Until he does, he's not notable enough per consensus in many other AFD discussions (for example, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack Wilshere. NawlinWiki (talk) 21:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE. Being an U-18 international is insufficient and appearing in a friendly doesn't cut it either. TerriersFan (talk) 22:39, 9 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep WP:ATHLETE doesn't seem to explicitly cover youth international appearances, but I would consider that representing your country in competitive games provides notability. TigerShark (talk) 09:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - through many AfDs in many sports, international appearance below adult level haven't been deemed to count towards notability. Not, of course, that things can't change but for footballers the WP:ATHLETE threshold is so low that anyone with any pretence at notability as a footballer can meet it. TerriersFan (talk) 14:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• OK, thanks. I can't help but feel that if a single appearance for their club side if good enough for notability, then playing for the U18 side really should be too. Certainly I would think there must be fewer people that represent their country at international level (albeit in youth teams) than appear for a professional club, so it is rarer (not that rariety itself always provides notability), but also U18 games for England are fairly big sporting occassions, so an involvement in them would seem to be fairly notable. TigerShark (talk) 15:01, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't believe England under-18 matches are particularly big sporting occasions. They aren't shown on TV as far as I know (unless they're on ITV9 or something), so that arguably makes them less significant sporting occasions than certain Conference National matches..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:41, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Fails WP:Athlete. Also the highest level of international football is the senior national team, Under-18 falls well short of that. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:36, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE. If all youth players were allowed on wikipedia, there would be over 10000000 player articles already. Hubschrauber729 (talk) 21:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Born 1990? Whoa, he's not old enough to have accomplished enough just yet. Delete as per above... Lady Galaxy 22:59, 10 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Isn't that Ageism? There are plenty of 18-year old football players who have achieved notability. Nfitz (talk) 18:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 10:41, 11 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Hang On. Middlesborough starts it's season on Saturday. Let's take a look at the line-up before we start deleting articles for players. Nfitz (talk) 18:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fails notability at WP:ATHLETE. --Jimbo^[online] 23:13, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, he doesn't even have a squad number. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 12:26, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Jmorrison230582. Nfitz (talk) 06:06, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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