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The result was keep. GNG generally trumps an SNG if sources exist Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:49, 3 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Richie Laryea[edit]

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested based on "some stuff found through google", but without addressing the underlying concern. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - I found these: [1], [2], and [3]. These are all feature length pieces of major media outlets, so reliable and significant coverage is met. They are all sources that are independent and some of the most major outlets in Canada. Does not matter if he played in a fully pro league or if he meets WP:NFOOTY, these sources establish he meets GNG and that is all that matters. These sources are the "some stuff found through google" and now that we have an AfD those can be shown and evaluated as opposed to just a header. RonSigPi (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. The sources found by @RonSigPi: are all just variations on the same theme - 'young prospect signs to MLS'. Not significant coverage, not notable. GiantSnowman 21:49, 19 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication of any collage award to satisfy NCOLLATH. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy either NHSPHSATH or widerGNG. I agree with GS, the sources above are essentially just transfer speculation, the simple fact of the matter is this is an individual who has never actually played football at any significant level. Fenix down (talk) 17:52, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - the sources User:RonSigPi provided are unusually extensive and biographical compared to what is typically seen for MLS draftees. Also, 2 of the 3 are in national, rather than regional or local publications, and the 3rd is in the largest broadsheet in the country. Meets WP:GNG. There isn't a single Generation Adidas in the previous 15 years that hasn't been notable, other than poor Zac Herold whose article was (twice) prodded [4] and [5], after he left the sport at age 17, following the discovery of a potentially fatal heart condition. Nfitz (talk) 18:55, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The sources cited by RonSigPi are not in depth pieces focusing on the subject; they are reports on the MLS SuperDraft with an emphasis on Canadian players, though slightly more focused on Laryea than the others. Not nearly enough to meet GNG. As he has not also met WP:NFOOTY, this is another case of WP:TOOSOON. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 07:07, 21 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Coverage is standard and no depth of coverage. Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:44, 23 January 2016 (UTC)y[reply]

• Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources.
  1. Ridenour, Marla (2015-12-09). "University of Akron soccer: Richie Laryea uses fiery emotions to spur Zips, but sometimes sees yellow". Akron Beacon Journal. Archived from the original on 2016-01-26. Retrieved 2016-01-26.

     The article begins:

     When University of Akron soccer coach Jared Embick got a call to come see Richie Laryea again in December, 2013, neither could imagine that the midfielder would be enrolling at UA three weeks later.

     There has been a little bit of a frenzied tone to Laryea’s career ever since. A sophomore, Laryea is the Zips’ second-leading scorer and always seems to be part of the action, but his daring play and accompanying temper has also gotten him in trouble.

     The article further notes:

     Embick won’t dispute Laryea’s value. Embick remembers seeing Laryea when he was a sophomore at Dante Aligheri Academy in Toronto and how much he’d changed two years later.

     “As a sophomore, he was OK,” Embick said of Laryea, a member of Canada’s under-18 national team. “When he became a senior his coaches called me again and said, ‘He’s really developed. He had a school, it kind of fell through. We think he’s as good or better than Cyle Larin.’ ” Larin, from Brampton, Ontario, was drafted No. 1 overall by Orlando City SC and was named Major League Soccer’s rookie of the year in 2015.

     Laryea’s club coaches for Sigma FC invited Embick to a showcase in December.

     ...

     Laryea has never played anything but soccer since his dad introduced him to the game. He said he didn’t know much then and realizes he has much to learn now.

     “I played in running shoes and my dad’s long church socks,” Laryea said of his first team experience. “I was 6 years old, so the socks were almost as tall as I was. Ever since then I knew that’s what I wanted to do.”

  2. Davidson, Neil (2016-01-13). "Toronto midfielder Richie Laryea expected to go high at MLS SuperDraft". Toronto Star. The Canadian Press. Archived from the original on 2016-01-26. Retrieved 2016-01-26.

     The article notes:

     On Thursday, the Canadian spotlight shines on midfielder Richie Laryea at the MLS SuperDraft. The five-foot-nine, 151-pound sophomore from the University of Akron is expected to be a top-10 pick at the Baltimore Convention Center.

     Laryea, who like Larin grew up playing club soccer in the Toronto area for Sigma FC, is coming off a breakthrough season that saw him score a team-high 11 goals and add seven assists.

     Tied for fourth over 30 metres (3.99 seconds) at the MLS Combine, Laryea has the pace and vision to spot a teammate or get himself into a goal-scoring position. The 21-year-old has a nose for being in the right place at the right time.

  3. Tenorio, Paul (2016-01-14). "Orlando City selects Akron's Richie Laryea with No. 7 pick in MLS SuperDraft". Orlando Sentinel. Archived from the original on 2016-01-26. Retrieved 2016-01-26.

     The article notes:

     Orlando City added some midfield depth with its first pick in the MLS SuperDraft on Thursday.

     The Lions selected Akron midfielder Richie Laryea, a Generation Adidas signee who adds depth across multiple spots in the midfield. Laryea, a Canadian international prospect, is best friends with Orlando City forward Cyle Larin.

     ...

     Laryea can play in multiple spots, Orlando City coach Adrian Heath said.

     "We just think his upside's enormous," Heath said. "We've watched him very, very closely and obviously the fact that he's big friends with Cyle we've known about him a long time. ... Let's just hope he has the impact Cyle's had, if he does it'll be a very good first pick for us."

     Laryea had 11 goals with seven assists at Akron last season and will look to find a place in a midfield that features Kaká, Darwin Cerén, Cristian Higuita, Carlos Rivas and Kevin Molino.

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Richie Laryea to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Cunard (talk) 07:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Sources 1 and 2 were published before the draft. Source 1 in particular provides substantial biographical material about the subject. Sources 2 and 3 also provide significant biographical material about the subject.

  Per Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria:

  People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published and independent of the subject.

  • If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources may not be sufficient to establish notability.

  Cunard (talk) 07:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. While from a WP:NFOOTY perspective this is clearly a case of WP:TOOSOON, the coverage in the reliable sources that RonSigPi provided in his comments, and some of the coverage that Cunard provided, are strong enough for me to believe that the article can stay. PKT(alk) 16:43, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Additional comment - Regarding the additional sources provided by Cunard:
  1. is a local newspaper reporter covering a local college team. While the newspaper is independent and reliable and the article does concentrate its focus on Laryea, it does not provide the widespread coverage required for WP:GNG.
  2. is the same as the second source provided by RonSigPi. It is primarily coverage of the MLS SuperDraft and does not provide the in-depth coverage of Laryea required for WP:GNG.
  3. is a piece by the local paper on the process Orlando City SC undertook to take Laryea in the #7 spot in the SuperDraft. It is not a piece about Laryea himself. While it can be used as a source to validate the statement that he was taken with the 7th pick, it does not provide enough to meet WP:GNG. This source is also already cited in the article.

Even when all three sources provided by Cunard are merged with the sources provided by RonSigPi and the three sources extant in the article (to provide 7 total sources since 2 are duplicated), I still don't see WP:GNG being met because 6 of those sources do not focus on Laryea, and the other is a local paper performing local coverage. My delete !vote stands unless a more in-depth biographical piece from either a nation-wide source (e.g. ESPN or TSN) or a source located outside the Toronto, Akron, and Orlando areas can be located. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 21:00, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I am pinging GiantSnowman, Fenix down, and Joseph2302 to review these additional sources as they also cast delete !votes. — Jkudlick • t • c • s 21:03, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Still think it should be deleted. Per @Jkudlick: above, the 3 new sources presented don't show a depth of coverage enough to pass WP:GNG. Only the first local source covers Laryea in any detail. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'd also accept a userfy/move to draftspace, as he's just signed for a fully professional team, and seems likely he will play for them in the next few months. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would also still go for delete, the sources presented are just routine transfer talk / speculation on how great this player will be. The fundamental point at issue is that this is a person whom editors are claiming is notable as a footballer when he has not actually played football at any notable level yet.

• Keep As he has joined a pro outfit RS should be coming when he plays.Atlantic306 (talk) 23:35, 31 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - So we should keep the article in anticipation that the subject will become notable? How does that work with reference to current notability guidelines. Fenix down (talk) 10:54, 1 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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