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The result was delete. Secret ^account 04:16, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rumble on the Rock 4[edit]

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This was a non-notable MMA event from a defunct Hawaiian MMA organization (not to be confused with a newer organization of the same name based in the UK). The article consists solely of fight results and the only source links to a list of fight results. This fails WP:SPORTSEVENT and all coverage is WP:ROUTINE. Papaursa (talk) 01:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related page for the same reasons.

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Papaursa (talk) 01:10, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hawaii-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:32, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:32, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep These were notable MMA events, many UFC and Pride fighters participated in ROTR, and the promotion has been mentioned by Joe Rogan on the air as notable. ROTR was a notable event in the history of modern MMA, and was NOT simply a local, non-notable promotion. Sgtkabuki (talk) 01:50, 12 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ROTR is not even listed at WP:MMANOT as a second tier MMA organization. In addition, this discussion is about the specific events, not the organization. There is nothing that shows these individual fight cards were historically significant. The fact that some notable fighters competed is WP:NOTINHERITED, otherwise every MLB, NBA, NFL, and NHL game would be considered notable. Papaursa (talk) 18:19, 13 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - My interpretation of WP:SPORTSEVENT is pretty lenient, since I consider a top tier organization title fight enough for an event to pass. However, even by that lenient standard, this event still fails, because while there is a title fight, the organization is not top tier (or even second tier). Failing WP:SPORTSEVENT, the event would need to demonstrate significant, non-routine coverage to be considered notable, and while there is some coverage, it's all WP:ROUTINE. I can't find any argument to keep this event. CaSJer (talk) 12:42, 15 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete These events don't pass WP:SPORTSEVENT or WP:GNG.Mdtemp (talk) 18:10, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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