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The result was no consensus. –MuZemike 00:26, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ryuichi Murata[edit]

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Subject is non-notable. Has not fought in two years; does not appear to have ever fought against a notable person and has not fought as part of a notable promotion most of his career. Google search shows little evidence of additional material. --TreyGeek (talk) 01:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. —TreyGeek (talk) 01:23, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteSubject fails WP:MANOTE. Contrary to the article, http://judomma.com/murata.html shows that his last fight was in June of 2008 and he was knocked out in 33 seconds. Pride FC website shows him with a first round submission loss in his only fight with them (2005). Search revealed another man by same name who's Deputy President of the Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi. Papaursa (talk) 04:16, 11 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm changing my original vote. I still believe he's non-notable in MMA, but I believe he does qualify as a judoka. The article needs work (and should emphasize his judo results), but it has been improved since this discussion started. Papaursa (talk) 15:21, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 00:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sources, there you go. Silver seren^C 01:42, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are only 2 sources and they both just give fight records. Where is the "significant" coverage? Having a record at Sherdog doesn't make one notable. The judo site also just gives his record and shows no world or Olympic medals or national championships. Papaursa (talk) 04:18, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is a hurrendous stub of an article. If you're going to create an MMA fighter article, at least do it properly and write about some of the fights as well as including an MMA record. That's the least of the problems anyway. Biggest problem is per everyone else's opinion. Keep Paralympiakos (talk) 03:49, 14 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He is a three time finalist in various tournaments, which means that he does pass notability. Silver seren^C 08:39, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Just being a finalist in tournaments doesn't get you past notability for WP:ATHLETE or WP:MANOTE. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:07, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Um..."Finalist, especially a repeated one, in another significant event;- (e.g. competitors from multiple nations or significant national tournament, not an internal school champion)" Silver seren^C 18:09, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I said finalist in tournaments, plural. No need to correct me about plurality. Niteshift36 (talk) 18:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? No, what I meant by quoting that is that he meets the criteria for notability for both WP:ATHLETE and WP:MANOTE. Silver seren^C 18:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also, "People who have competed at the highest amateur level of a sport, usually considered to mean the Olympic Games or World Championships." He did that too, World Cup. Silver seren^C 18:14, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I believe that his judo accomplishments allow him to pass WP:MANOTE. Being a 3 time medal winner at the Japanese national judo championships and having successfully competed internationally seems sufficient to me. However, World Cup events are not the same as World Championships. In every sport I'm aware of with World Cup events, there are multiple World Cup events during the year but only 1 world championship event. Thanks to the latest edit by TreyGeek this article looks pretty good. Papaursa (talk) 19:17, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CommentWP:MANOTE where did you find that one. please stick to policies. WP:MANOTE is not even a guideline. Ridernyc (talk) 20:23, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete non-notable, not sure why people keep quoting a failed out of date essay. Ridernyc (talk) 20:29, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"failed out of date essay" how exactly? It's a project essay! Not having been edited just implies it's stable. --Nate ^t/_c 09:20, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"WikiProjects are encouraged to write essays on notability." I would guess people quote it because "it may be consulted for assistance during an AfD discussion." I wasn't aware it was "out of date". How did you determine its expiration date? Papaursa (talk) 02:40, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the time the essays serve as valid guidelines for notability and are encouraged to be made for this reason. This makes sense in terms of martial arts and other such fighting sports because they are radically different than most other sports. The guidelines on WP:MANOTE are generally considered to be valid and can be considered policy for that reason. Can you please define in what manner the article is non-notable? Silver seren^C 02:49, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Essays are meaningless and are not encouraged to be used, anyone on their own can write an essay. You need consensus for something to mater, a guideline with no consensus is an essay. Not sure where you are both getting this information but it is plain and simply wrong. Ridernyc (talk) 03:17, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I should have been more specific. Essays regarding notability that are used on specific Wikiprojects are generally considered consensus for that subject. In this case, at least, it is. It has just not been made "official policy", as many things aren't, but are considered to be so by consensus anyways. Silver seren^C 03:27, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again not sure where you are getting your information from but you are wrong, no other way to say it. Ridernyc (talk) 13:41, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay then. :/ Silver seren^C 18:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What is the Judo World Cup exactly? Geschichte (talk) 13:12, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've been trying to find the page for the world cup and it's very aggravating. There are news articles for people having competed in the MMA world cup, but I can't seem to find a page that explicitly describes it. Bot, as for world cups, here, have a look. Silver seren^C 18:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The International Judo Federation (http://www.intjudo.eu/index.php?lang_id=2) sanctions these events. They're important tournaments, but not as important as the Olympics, World Championships, or continental championships. Papaursa (talk) 21:09, 17 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep WP:ATHLETE states Competing not winning. Competed in Pride (generally considered top level professional before it was bought out but the UFC) and competed in high level judo, don't konw if you can be a professional judoka but it can't be assumed the whole sport is amateur. Both these claims to notability are sourced. --Nate ^t/_c 10:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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