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The result was keep. One (talk) 10:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sahar Daftary
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Fails WP:BIO1E and no significant evidence she was truly notable before her death, news stories afterwards do not ascertain genuine notability either. Any awards won are relatively minor and all things considered, fails WP:BIO. J. F. Mam J. Jason Dee (talk) 01:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 11:47, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per coverage, per notability and the fact that it has been in the news in many countries such as mine on the other side of the world.--Judo112 (talk) 16:15, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Speedy keep I take this AfD nominator really hasnt thought it over before nominating it. She had established notability and fame.Speedy keep it.--MarkusBJoke (talk) 16:18, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Sky news even have a tribute page on its front for this "unknown" model as the nomination calls her. As earlier stated she has established notability.--MarkusBJoke (talk) 16:39, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. Fails WP:1E, WP:NOT#NEWS, WP:NOT#MEMORIAL. Extensive news coverage regarding the person's death is not a valid reason to keep an article. The person should have significant notability besides a single event and you won't find a single hint of that prior to her death. LeaveSleaves talk 18:36, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I think you are pointing out the exact reasons to why Sahar is notable Leavesleaves. She got this Extensive news coverage,as you put it because of the simple fact that she was notable in the modeling and entertainment business before the suicide. The extensive coverage points out that she was notable, atleast to me. Just because a model isnt world famous like Naomi Campbell or Tyra Banks, doesnt mean that they arent notable.--Judo112 (talk) 21:19, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Her win in Face of Asia 2007, one of asias most popular pageants/competitions points to atleast a minimum of notability enough to Keep this article. But as it has been established she had more than a minimum of notability because of other factors sutch as the short-film which she starred in, and extensive news coverage as a fact of her popularity in the modeling industry in the UK. Case closed.--Judo112 (talk) 21:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Wouldn't you say that her notability and/or popularity stems from her death, or more specifically her manner of death and not her career? And if she was in fact notable prior to her death, could you provide the sources that prove such notability, sources from before her death? LeaveSleaves talk 05:38, 26 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Her win in Face of Asia 2007, one of asias most popular pageants/competitions points to atleast a minimum of notability enough to Keep this article. But as it has been established she had more than a minimum of notability because of other factors sutch as the short-film which she starred in, and extensive news coverage as a fact of her popularity in the modeling industry in the UK. Case closed.--Judo112 (talk) 21:23, 25 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 00:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I'm not convinced that "Face of Asia" is really notable in its own right--if you search for "Face of Asia" and cut out keywords related to this individual, you get almost no hits that would establish notability for the competition and thus for the person. It's really the other way around: a Google search reveals the competition as notable because Sahar Daftary died. She herself, this is tragic of course, but there is nothing besides the one single event that got her in the news to make her notable. Drmies (talk) 00:42, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete seems like WP:BLP1E to me. The depth of coverage of the person (rather than focussing on the event of her death) suggests to me that WP:N is not met. Ohconfucius (talk) 03:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Doing a news search I turned up enough references to the "Face of Asia" contest to believe it is notable. So she's got both the contest win and the suicide coverage (which was so extensive I'd argue due to the contest win). Meets WP:N, isn't a single event. Hobit (talk) 21:02, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I agree fully with Hobit her overall notability points out that she is infact notable. As i have stated before her extensive news coverage points out that she was notable for her Face of Asia win. Basically she isnt famous of just a one time event. I say Strong Keep after reading the discussions.--Judo112 (talk) 16:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- When i searched on Face of Asia pageant i found 19 900 000 pages and Sahar Daftary gave 171,000 hits. Also the Delete voters are using tentative words sutch as "I'm not convinced" pointing out that they arent sure if their Delete decisions are correct.--Judo112 (talk) 17:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- When you omit the duplicates it is around 250 hits, not 171 000. WWGB (talk) 02:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, WWGB now however their is 171.000 pages on her, and her death is part of her life. I also saw that the articles your referred to also pointed out her notability anyway..so i still say keep.--MarkusBJoke (talk) 13:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "Her death is a part of her life"? That's an interesting line. And by the way, if you have so many loads of sources available why don't you improve the article to reflect this? At present it reads like her life was part of her death. LeaveSleaves talk 13:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Its time for you to read, Wikipedia:Assume good faith.--MarkusBJoke (talk) 20:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Im only pointing out my view on this matter. If you have an opinion express it in a more constructive manour, I agree however on some points. But as i said, those are things that can be changed and are not reason enough for deletion.Peace out.--MarkusBJoke (talk) 20:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Its time for you to read, Wikipedia:Assume good faith.--MarkusBJoke (talk) 20:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- "Her death is a part of her life"? That's an interesting line. And by the way, if you have so many loads of sources available why don't you improve the article to reflect this? At present it reads like her life was part of her death. LeaveSleaves talk 13:41, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, WWGB now however their is 171.000 pages on her, and her death is part of her life. I also saw that the articles your referred to also pointed out her notability anyway..so i still say keep.--MarkusBJoke (talk) 13:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- When you omit the duplicates it is around 250 hits, not 171 000. WWGB (talk) 02:14, 1 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I changed your "strong keep" above from bold to italics so no one would think you were !voting a second time here. No offense intended! Hobit (talk) 20:53, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I also agree with Hobit. Its a keeper. I also does not change my opinion in this matter (as of this discussion).--MarkusBJoke (talk) 23:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- When i searched on Face of Asia pageant i found 19 900 000 pages and Sahar Daftary gave 171,000 hits. Also the Delete voters are using tentative words sutch as "I'm not convinced" pointing out that they arent sure if their Delete decisions are correct.--Judo112 (talk) 17:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. As a model, Daftary has not achieved the notability required by WP:ENTERTAINER. WWGB (talk) 21:02, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- If WP:ENTERTAINER apply here, then atleast 80% of the contestants in Miss World,Miss Universe and all those sort of former pageant contestant articles should be deleted. A Miss World 2008 or lets say Miss Earth 2008 contestants similar death for example would not generate the same amount of worldwide press. All those girls only have their national pageant win as a reference( some are even regular people only appointed the national title without effort) for notability and still all the contestants have articles, Sahar won her Big final pageant and she is the one up for deletion? Strange. Another fact is that a former Miss Universe top 10 placer committed suicide sometime back and that didnt generate any press, while Sahar Daftary has recieved worldwide press.--Judo112 (talk) 16:28, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sahars well documented death, and her win at the Face of Asia competition plus notability in the fashion industry plus a role in a internet commercial and that she was a working model at the time makes her notable(and even her death and FOA win alone makes her notable for more than a one time event). Even in accordance with WP:ENTERTAINER. She also cancelled a fashion show appearance the day before her death, that fact also proves that she was in fact a working model at the time of death.--Judo112 (talk) 16:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- A good example is Egla Harxhi, to point out the difference.--Judo112 (talk) 17:03, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Sahars well documented death, and her win at the Face of Asia competition plus notability in the fashion industry plus a role in a internet commercial and that she was a working model at the time makes her notable(and even her death and FOA win alone makes her notable for more than a one time event). Even in accordance with WP:ENTERTAINER. She also cancelled a fashion show appearance the day before her death, that fact also proves that she was in fact a working model at the time of death.--Judo112 (talk) 16:43, 3 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep: Per the references that establish notability. She was known for more than one event, meets WP:N.--Jmundo (talk) 04:50, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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