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The result was delete. Keep arguments based on german wikipedia notability carry no weight here and the issue is sourcing. There appears to be a consensus that the person doesn't pass BIO and it should be noted that reliaty show participants are not considered inherantly notable here even if they garner some press as BLP1E kicks in. Spartaz ^Humbug! 03:26, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:BIO. Nobody knows this person. She isn't famous. She hasn't achieved anything. She has only lost in game shows. Captain Chandana (talk) 17:41, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

She is relevant on the german wikipedia. So why not on this one? The only difference between german and english wikipedia is the language, not the relevance of people. --Newsflash (talk) 18:04, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, The user account User:Captain Chandana just has contributed at the deletion of this article. Is he even eligible to add a deletion request? I seriously doubt it. --Newsflash (talk) 18:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Knappik meets all 3 criterias on WP:ENT --Newsflash (talk) 18:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Her notability is very controversial in German Wikipedia. She doesn't really meet WP:ENT or WP:BIO in English Wikipedia. --91.20.103.5 (talk) 18:20, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Two deletion requests in the german wikipedia failed, so what is the controversial part about that? btw, another german IP. --Newsflash (talk) 18:26, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of people explained in the deletion discussion that the article should be deleted after the jungle show in which she participates is over. So the article at the German Wikipedia will probably be deleted when the show is over. Another people demanded an immediate cancellation of the article at the German Wikipedia. --91.20.103.5 (talk) 18:31, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As one of four german sysops who were of the opinion that the article about Mrs. Knappik is not to be deleted, I just wanted to ask for a favour: the different opinions in the german wikipida are discussed right now, meanwhile we are talking in the Arbitration Committee. Ignore those german IPs, they just want to cut off the debate there presenting a deleted article in the english wikipedia. That's the background. Best wishes, --Capaci34 (talk) 19:43, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep co-host Dirk Bach has made a joke within the show in Australia about Mrs. Knappik and her disputed status in German wikipedia. 7 million Germans are watching the show daily and she is the star of the show. Currently every day a new request for deletion is published in German wikipedia, hoping Dirk Bach makes some new jokes about her in general and especially about wikipedia. 78.55.74.222 (talk) 21:01, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:20, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:20, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:21, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I'm not seeing a WP:BIO pass myself. This not being the German Wikipedia, I suggest that we tend to our own knitting and standards of consensus and notability and leave them to tend to theirs.  Ravenswing  20:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• keep: 250,000 result on google, Germanys-next-topmodel, she got own games, she was/is on few shows, and now she is on every(!) news(blog-paper, bla) at germany. ... i think the german-wikipedia got stricter rules. edit:345,000 google-result --217.235.186.195 (talk) 00:37, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete no public notice outside of Germany aside from some private blogs. The conflict in german wikipedia deals with the rule when a sysop is allowed to close a deletion debate, notability was justified with the public interest and yellow press coverage in Germany. I think, that's not enough for enWP. --Siech•Fred ^Home 18:41, 23 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such thing like a german or english wikipedia!!! The only difference is the language. So this is the wikipedia in english, the other is the wikipedia in german, but the wikipedias to not belong to a country. A example: if Sarah Knappik would compete in a show like the "Dschungelcamp" in any other country of the world and would get there a media reaction like in Germany, the article has to be relevant in the german language wikipedia, as well as in any other wikipedia. --88.79.92.162 (talk) 17:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: She participated in no less than three reality TV series, modeled for notable companies, and has what appears to be legit coverage. Whether she's famous outside of Germany or not is irrelevant.  Mbinebri  ^{talk ←} 05:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep:Coverage does not have to be beyond the land of origin, but significant. That appears to be the case. Agathoclea (talk) 13:16, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: As I happen to come from Germany and in addition to this, watched every episode of the show, allow me to explain her person to those of you who don't know her: she was a partipicant of the german leg of American Idol and lost relativly early. After that, she has done nothing of significance. Now she has entered the show I'm a Celebrity and it is highly doubtable that she will win, it is most likely that she will leave the show at this very day. So, the main question is, where does her notability, which is disscused here, come from? That she lost in two shows and happens to have a difficult personality? I don't think that is enough to give her an own article. Aside from that, not every wannabe-celebrity that has an article in a national wikipedia is notable enough to deserve an international article.--DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 23:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  comment The fact that *everybody* seems to know her chances to win or not to win indicates that there is enough media coverage to establish notability. Is she a worthwhile inclusion ie really important? Not really. "Notability" in the wikipedia sense is a misnomer. Here we think it means the subject of the article is noted - In RL we think the term means "worth noting". There are a lot of of worthwhile articles-subjects we can't include because there are no sources. On the other hand the media seem to have a great interest in subjects of very little worth. That is what we call a 'celebrity'. And 'celebraties' are notable in the wikipedia sense. Agathoclea (talk) 08:37, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Maybe she is not relevant but the Wikipedia entry itself, a strange phenomenon. -- Polluks ★ 18:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Coverage is not significant. There was coverage when she was a candidate at the German version of I'm a Celebrity...Get Me Out of Here!. But now she will be forgotten like other former members of this reality television game show who were not famous before. --Yoda1893 (talk) 10:21, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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